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Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by Analemma_ on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:11PM (#20358535)
This doesn’t make any sense. Your ISP still knows your browsing history even if they can’t see your DNS requests.
Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by nullwasamistake on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:19PM (#20358589)
No they don't. TLS has encrypted sites for a long time. And with encrypted SNI they get no info about browsing history. This is a blatant attempt to stymie the last cleartext protocol that can be used to record browsing history.
Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by nathanaldensr on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:18PM (#20358577)
Not if your traffic is HTTPS+TLS. They will only know--if they are the target DNS server--what IP you are connecting to. The secure channel protects against them knowing more than that.
Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by ianlevesque on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:20PM (#20358594)
SNI leaks the domain name you are requesting. It's pretty shocking.
Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by snek on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:36PM (#20358689)
Firefox also supports ESNI! These crazy villians shakes fist at Mozilla
Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by cesarb on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:29PM (#20358648)
There is already work on encrypted SNI. Last time I looked, it uses information from DNS, so encrypted DNS is a prerequisite.
Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by perfmode on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:13PM (#20358546)
how? wouldn’t they just see TCP packets?
Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by derefr on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:19PM (#20358591)
They see the destinations of those packets, so they know what sites (IP addresses) you're interacting with, on what ports.

They don't get the domain names, but for the very popular web properties that all these analytics care about calculating your relationship to, they don't need them; the IP is enough to discern which site you're visiting.

Re:ISP Association Nominates Mozilla as “Internet Villain” by GauntletWizard on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:20PM (#20358597)
Yes, and the IP addresses there are public, and reverse DNS entries are easy to find. There's some ambiguity, but not much. Your isp doesn't care about the difference between fbcdn.net and Facebook.com when selling your traffic history.