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Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by throw0101a on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:24AM (#20353898)
> It tried to force them to stay in the lane.

I think this is because the driver was being a bit lazy and didn't bother turning on the signal. If you indicate intent, then the system won't think you're messing up.

But a lot of folks simply half-change lanes when passing cyclists and then go back.

As a motorcyclist the half-change is annoying since (a) you're blocking both lanes, and (b) if they did a full lane change I could zip past since I can fit quite comfortably next to the bicyclist.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by Starwatcher2001 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @09:51AM (#20354606)
Am I misunderstanding something here? You want a car driver to pull into the outer lane so that you can undertake him between the cycle and car? I'm a biker and that sounds suicidal to me. The drivers next move would be to move back into the inner lane, right into you.

I've got no problem with your complaint about them half-changing and blocking both lanes, it's the concept of nipping between them, knowing full-well their next move will be back in.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by jamiethompson on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:19AM (#20361044)
I thought this too. As a cyclist I'd be absolutely terrified if a motorcyclist did this and I've never experienced such a maneuver. Bikers are generally the best behaved around cyclists.
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by throw0101a on Thursday July 04, 2019 @10:04PM (#20359364)
Yes, I can see that. It depends on the circumstances if I consider it: if there's a bit of a caravan/peloton/group of bicyclists, then it's more useful. If it's just a lone pedaler then the car will move back and zip forward since it will not have an unobstructed lane, so there's not point in trying to get a head.
Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by switch007 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @01:25PM (#20356248)
> I think this is because the driver was being a bit lazy and didn't bother turning on the signal. If you indicate intent, then the system won't think you're messing up.

(UK) My instructor taught me to judge each situation. An indicator might cause more confusion. There is definitely no rule in the Highway Code that states you must always indicate. A system which relies on such an assumption is defective.

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by throw0101a on Saturday July 06, 2019 @12:04PM (#20370297)
> (UK) My instructor taught me to judge each situation. An indicator might cause more confusion.

If you're intending to cross a lane marking you should signal. Under what circumstances would this not be true?

> Rule 103: Signals warn and inform other road users, including pedestrians (see ‘Signals to other road users), of your intended actions. You should always: use them to advise other road users before changing course or direction, stopping or moving off

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-t...

Isn't going into another lane, even partially, a change in course or direction?

Re:Renault's driver UX is a disaster waiting to happen by switch007 on Sunday July 14, 2019 @09:25AM (#20433232)
You only partiality quoted 103. Quoted fully, it shows it's not at odds with my instructor's advice. Especially points 1 and 2

However I do stand corrected as code does say that you must always indicate if you are changing course or direction.

"Signals warn and inform other road users, including pedestrians (see ‘Signals to other road users), of your intended actions. You should always

- give clear signals in plenty of time, having checked it is not misleading to signal at that time

- use them to advise other road users before changing course or direction, stopping or moving off

- cancel them after use

- make sure your signals will not confuse others. If, for instance, you want to stop after a side road, do not signal until you are passing the road. If you signal earlier it may give the impression that you intend to turn into the road. Your brake lights will warn traffic behind you that you are slowing down

- use an arm signal to emphasise or reinforce your signal if necessary. Remember that signalling does not give you priority."