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Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by walrus01 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:33AM (#20353284)
The Twitter account "internet of shit" tracks these sort of things.

Mark my words, eventually the world is going to see some sort of Fukushima scale internet of shit disaster caused by poor security/architecture. I'm not sure what form it will take, maybe mass pwnage of a device as commonplace as Amazon echo or Google home, but it will be bad.

Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by mrweasel on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:47AM (#20353370)
Agreed. We're putting devices that needs to be highly secured, ideally network separated in the hands of normal people. People who either don't know that they should updated their routers, or simply don't care.

At the same time, IoT devices are being sold by companies who think that a 10 years support cycle is "a long time" and who frequently will drop support for devices when new models are released. The same companies often have terrible models for customer support.

I was at a presentation of Microsofts Azure Sphere OS. The presenter proudly proclaimed that they would have 10 year support cycle. Apparently I was the only one in the audience who felt that 10 years is at least 5 years short of what is needed.

Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by canofbars on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:22AM (#20353545)
10 years is probably longer than most of these iot companies have been around. Most of these devices probably get 1 year updates max before support being dropped.
Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by drad on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:06AM (#20353474)
We have had it already, several times over but people dont care. Once it is something big enough (like I now own your house or bank account) people will care, although big bank and government will protect us surely...
Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by walrus01 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:11AM (#20353499)
I don't think we've really had "the big one" yet, it's going to be something like several years of recorded private audio conversations from the interiors of luxury cars being dumped, or every amazon echo on the planet simultaneously playing 'fuck the police' by NWA.
Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by glenneroo on Thursday July 04, 2019 @09:22AM (#20354350)
> every amazon echo on the planet simultaneously playing 'fuck the police' by NWA

I wish I were a hacker capable of such feats.

Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by lloeki on Thursday July 04, 2019 @12:43PM (#20355965)
I was more thinking like every thermostat being taken over and dialed to eleven to the same side of extreme outside temperature conditions.

Or constantly toggling things that require power in sync, which would throw off the power grid system in some way.

Or making food rot in fridges.

Or randomly flashing lights on during night, interrupting people sleep.

There are many ways that some of those things can be statistically dangerous or life threatening at scale, either directly or by consequence.

Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by canofbars on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:21AM (#20353537)
Does facebook user data getting sent to a 3rd party to manipulate elections big enough? IoT devices are regularly being used to DDoS major internet services.
Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by Fordec on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:21AM (#20353542)
I personally the impact of nuclear disasters a quantity higher than that of 80's protest songs. Your mileage may vary.
Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by dgzl on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:41AM (#20353330)
If it's rogue hackers making the movements, I'm imagining massive coordinated botnet attacks against a series of targets to fail the legs of a larger system, with intentions of hitting a bigger prize target.

If used by government actors, I imagine they'd use it every opportunity they could.

Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by shostack on Thursday July 04, 2019 @11:59AM (#20355622)
For personal data leaking out, the rise of various far right movements comes to mind. Once a party takes total control and wants to get rid of dissidents, these data troves are even more valuable than census data was to the Nazis.

Separately, I worry about smart devices that could be used to cause electrical fires, leaks, etc at scale. Triggering many devices in a target area to do some activity that sparks even small fires allows you a decent chance of creating large fires fairly easily without a single troop hitting the ground or firing a single bullet. With the impact we saw from the Camp Fire, the government's current... issues... Etc., that's terrifying.

Re:Two Billion Records Exposed in 'Smart Home' Breach by SmellyGeekBoy on Thursday July 04, 2019 @09:39AM (#20354523)
Perhaps a DDOS attack on CloudFlare or Facebook's CDN?

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