I thought I made a hard game and then speedrunners destroyed it

Re:I thought I made a hard game and then speedrunners destro... by jdmichal on Monday July 01, 2019 @04:24PM (#20329371)

Same thing with poker. Someone who doesn't understand betting strategy and odds is more dangerous. It takes the game closer to the underlying luck line, because you can't effectively communicate with the other player in the normal ways. And that's a scary proposition, because you're relying on decision making to create an edge... The luck layer is the same for everyone.

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Re:I thought I made a hard game and then speedrunners destro... by antisthenes on Monday July 01, 2019 @06:20PM (#20330301)

It is not the same in poker, because there is a very defined strategy for playing against people who don't understand strategy - and that is to play a tighter range and better hands.

It obviously doesn't eliminate luck; but the person who doesn't understand strategy isn't going to do well either.

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Re:I thought I made a hard game and then speedrunners destro... by jdmichal on Monday July 01, 2019 @10:56PM (#20331774)

I feel like you think you're disagreeing with me, when in fact you are supporting my point. The game goes closer to the luck baseline, and you beat the luck baseline by playing tighter.

Also, that's all well and good for heads up play, but if you're at a full table, playing tighter for one person at the table is just going to see you winning a lot of nothing. (Players paying attention will just skip hands where you bite.)

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Re:I thought I made a hard game and then speedrunners destro... by antisthenes on Monday July 01, 2019 @11:58PM (#20332013)

Come to think of it, it will be closer to the luck baseline, because the distribution of starting cards depends mostly on luck.

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