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Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by mikeryan on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @04:11PM (#2032472)
Google is flush with cash, the real estate market is soft and it beats renting. Honestly I think more tech companies should look to own their real estate. Its a solid asset in the balance sheet. Most companies already have an in house facilities team who's job it is to maintain their property and you can always hire a property management firm to handle the rest.

My step dad owns a few faucet stores, granted totally different field, in the Bay Area, he owns the buildings of all his stores and the value of his real estate holdings are the equivalent of the value of his business.

Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by kqr2 on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @04:40PM (#2032552)
The counterargument is that real estate is potentially an opportunity cost. Instead of purchasing real estate, that money could be used to grow your "core competency", e.g. opening more stores, expanding into other cities, etc.
Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by jakarta on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @04:51PM (#2032598)
The counterargument is that the ROIC of growth might be less than the real estate investment.

I had a chance to do work for a board member of a public company. For 10 years they invested in R&D which was an utter failure and used up the majority of cash flow generated from operations.

After halting most of R&D, cutting costs, the company was able to be turned around and cash flow positive.

Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by kqr2 on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @05:19PM (#2032686)
Of course R&D may not pay off, however, in the long run, if your real estate is worth more than your business, then it probably means you are better at managing real estate than running that business. Perhaps it would have been better to have just done real estate in the first place.
Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by jakarta on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @05:44PM (#2032745)
I don't agree with this kind of singular thinking.

Capital should go wherever returns are best. If you have a steel company and you are at the top of the cycle, investing in steel plants or doing acquisitions in the steel space will be a destructive use of capital.

Let's say you are Google and you do indeed believe that startup valuations are getting too high to warrant acquisitions. Maybe you pull back and look for other opportunities. You have $33B in cash and 10-years are only yielding ~3%.

You're better off redeploying that capital to somewhere that will be truly accretive versus chasing bad deals or sticking in treasuries. Maybe right now the current R&D ideas just aren't appealing either. So you decide to sit tight in that area and go do a real estate deal where you can get a good IRR.

Study Henry Singleton, the founder of Teledyne and see how he chose to allocate capital wherever he could get the most value at that particular point in time.

Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by ams6110 on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @10:47PM (#2033441)
When you're Google's size the normal rules don't always apply, but I would say that generally any "non-core" investments should at least have some strategic purpose.

McDonald's for example, owns or leases huge amounts of real-estate, which they sublease to their franchisees. One reason for this is to maintain control over the franchisees. A franchise owner can't decide to close up and open a Burger King instead, because McDonald's would cancel his lease on the property.

I'm not sure how owning real-estate relates to what Google does. They are not a retailer so the physical location of their offices is not critical. Even if a particular opportunity is a "good deal" it's still a distraction from their core business. Even if management and maintenance is subbed out, somebody in Google has to keep an eye on things to some degree.

Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by qq66 on Thursday December 23, 2010 @01:17AM (#2033700)
Jeez. How far we've come. Whatever happened to writing a dividend check and letting shareholders buy real estate themselves if they want?
Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by c1utch on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @11:45PM (#2033551)
Sounds a lot like Yahoo! under Carol Bartz. Slash R&D and face the consequences 3+ years later.
Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by jakarta on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @11:56PM (#2033567)
In this case the consequence was a larger competitor came along and purchased the company at a premium.

Some businesses are just too dysfunctional to survive.

This company was plagued with leadership issues (CEO/founder had been forced out because of bad board members, new CEO had 0 industry experience and was utterly incompetent) plus because of the cash flow problem, geography, and loss of key customers, the company just could not afford to go out and beef up the R&D staff.

So the next best thing was to replace a couple of the bad board members, cut costs, clean up operations, make the company profitable, and then shop it around.

Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by joubert on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @05:55PM (#2032768)
If you don't buy, you have to rent. They can't have the staff working on the sidewalks of 9th Ave., or on the Highline.
Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by jbri on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @04:46PM (#2032575)
This all sounds similar to the argument that Google should stick with search instead of moving into email. Or stick with Search + Email instead of moving into mobile devices.
Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by marcog1 on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @04:54PM (#2032603)
Google's mission:

"organize the world's information" - what information is being organized?

"and make it universally accessible" - are they going to make the building universally accessible?

"and useful" - I'm sure the building is useful without Google owning it :)

Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by ugh on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @07:01PM (#2033006)
Google's mission:

"organize the world's information" - what information is being organized?

"and make it universally accessible" - are they going to make the paperclips universally accessible?

"and useful" - I'm sure paperclips are useful without Google owning them :)

Google really shouldn’t ever buy paperclips and the ones they bought in the past were clearly wrongheaded investments.

Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by johnwatson11218 on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @07:25PM (#2033073)
Also want to add to the original comment that google does have a lot of cash and my understanding is that they hire anyone who meets their high standards. So what is the downside to stepping outside of their core competencies and buying real estate? Put another way ... what else are they going to do with that money?
Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by kqr2 on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @04:56PM (#2032615)
Actually, Google's core competency is selling targeted ads so they need to be wherever people's eyeballs are. So branching into email, mobile, etc. is actually a natural evolution.
Re:Google Purchases 111 Eighth Avenue, NYC by dspeyer on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @09:52PM (#2033346)
There aren't a lot of opportunities. Most ways Google can grow are blocking on things other than money.