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Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by howlin on Saturday June 29, 2019 @01:40PM (#20313774)
Palm oil became a thing when cheap, shelf stable fats in the form of partially hydrogenated oil were realized to be unhealthy. Instead of the world giving up the eternally fresh package of Oreos, we move to massive production of tropical oils which are also shelf stable. It's probably time to reevaluate if we can sustain our appetite for snacks using a very small amount of precious land in the tropics that can grow palm oil.

There are alternatives to Palm oil. The most straightforward is replacing it with rendered fat from pigs or cows (lard or tallow). This has its own ethics and environmental concerns. Another solution is to revisit oil hydrogenation. We can fully hydrogenate oils such as soybean into a saturated fat very similar to that found in tallow. The resulting fat is healthier than partially hydrogenated oil, and arguably healthier than unprocessed soy oil too. It is not difficult to work with and has a neutral flavors, which is desirable for the processed food industry. We just need to get over our fear of this process.

Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by rayiner on Saturday June 29, 2019 @02:02PM (#20313898)
Just go back to lard and tallow. McDonalds French fries are still a shadow of their former selves.
Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by howlin on Saturday June 29, 2019 @02:43PM (#20314081)
A significant fraction of the population has a religious or moral objection to eating lard. A smaller but still substantial part of the population objects to tallow based on vegetarianism or the terrible environmental impact of cattle raising.
Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by rhino369 on Saturday June 29, 2019 @05:01PM (#20314751)
That would make sense for a chain that otherwise served vegetarians. But does McD's even have a single item that is vegetarian?

I googled it, some breakfast items (egg mcmuffin, panckages) and apple pie.

It's probably just a money saving feature. I'm already old (34) and I've only ever eaten the veggie oil McD's fries.

Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by tashi on Saturday June 29, 2019 @11:34PM (#20316178)
McDonald's fries are a special case, because, as some vegetarians discovered after years of being misled by their "cooked in 100% vegetable oil" claims, they're already flavored with beef tallow.
Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by jtbayly on Saturday June 29, 2019 @03:11PM (#20314207)
Then don’t eat it.
Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by dewey on Saturday June 29, 2019 @03:00PM (#20314157)
I didn't really know about this until I listend to this great podcast episode about the whole fries story. Can highly recommend it: http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/19-mcdonalds-broke-my...

(The rest of Revisionist History is also great!)

Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by NeedMoreTea on Saturday June 29, 2019 @03:50PM (#20314419)
Just about everyone's chips (fries) and crisps (chips!) are a shadow of their former selves. When I was a kid just about everyone made their chips and crisps in beef dripping or lard. Now not even all supermarkets carry it, all bags of crisps use veggie oil, and the only place we get decent chips is at home.

Yet beef consumption has risen hugely over the same timescales.

Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by darkpuma on Saturday June 29, 2019 @02:49PM (#20314110)
The same thing has ruined potato chips. All the good chip brands in this country now have limited regional distribution at best. The tyranny of Frito-Lay has totally ruined the chip industry.
Re:One Casualty of the Palm Oil Industry: An Orangutan Mothe... by fucking_tragedy on Sunday June 30, 2019 @01:12PM (#20319209)
Palmitic acid consumption is also associated with increased risk for cardiovascular disease.