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Re:Boeing falsified records for 787 jet that developed a fue... by crowbahr on Friday June 28, 2019 @08:24PM (#20309971)
They should be jailed for self reporting the cover up of other employees?

Because that's what you're suggesting, and it sounds patently ridiculous.

Re:Boeing falsified records for 787 jet that developed a fue... by NowThenGoodBad on Friday June 28, 2019 @08:35PM (#20310022)
So, you're suggesting that we should let those who perpetuate cultures like falsifying records to continue to exist in industry without punishment when they are directly responsible for the harm that happens?

That sounds patently ridiculous.

The culture comes from the top. It's super easy for them to allow people lower down to take the fall for something they pressured subordinates to do.

Shoot, just look at Wells Fargo last year.

The higher ups said that those lower needed to boost account signups, so, suddenly people found themselves signed up with accounts they had never signed up for.

But we blame those lower for following an order, even if it's an implied order, because they were the ones who did the deed. It was so hard to link Al Capone to murder they had to get him for tax evasion.

He called the shots, but others took the shots.

So, when you say that it's ridiculous to target those execs who are setting the standards which are causing these problems, these deaths, you got some screw loose up there friend, because those execs are getting paid hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions of dollars, while those doing what they are told so that they can keep their job are just trying to eat and pay rent.

Re:Boeing falsified records for 787 jet that developed a fue... by dnadler on Friday June 28, 2019 @08:51PM (#20310061)
>those who perpetuate cultures

Without any real knowledge of this situation, I'm pretty comfortable saying that anyone reporting this isn't perpetuating the culture. But, let's not jump to conclusions...

Re:Boeing falsified records for 787 jet that developed a fue... by kortilla on Friday June 28, 2019 @10:26PM (#20310414)
Wow, this is even more pathetic than the “I was following orders” excuse. Now it’s “I was breaking the law because I got the vibe that I should”.
Re:Boeing falsified records for 787 jet that developed a fue... by PavlovsCat on Saturday June 29, 2019 @12:09AM (#20310770)
"Anticipatory obedience", or however one would translate it:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorauseilender_Gehorsam

Re:Boeing falsified records for 787 jet that developed a fue... by kortilla on Saturday June 29, 2019 @03:12AM (#20311240)
But even following direct orders is not an excuse to break the law. The notion that people shouldn’t be held liable for breaking the law under even less pressure is insane.
Re:Boeing falsified records for 787 jet that developed a fue... by bad-joke on Friday June 28, 2019 @09:07PM (#20310131)
The executives are rewarded lavishly for owning the company. They should receive equally lavish punishment when that company inflicts damage.