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Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by ben_w on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:28PM (#20298369)
And there I was keeping quiet about the nasty horrible weapons, just like that, which my brain cooks up at 3 am when I can’t sleep, in the hope that no real company would develop them.
Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by TeMPOraL on Thursday June 27, 2019 @07:19PM (#20299909)
I guess I shouldn't have mentioned my idea of artillery shells carrying pumped x-ray lasers as payload, fired straight up for some nice over-the-horizon frying of enemy materiel...
Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by astazangasta on Thursday June 27, 2019 @11:49PM (#20301322)
Non-starter. The whole point of ordinance is its cheap. What's wrong with ye olde ground based x-ray laser and a mirror on a satellite?
Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by mftrhu on Friday June 28, 2019 @04:43PM (#20308643)
> Non-starter. The whole point of ordinance is its cheap. What's wrong with ye olde ground based x-ray laser and a mirror on a satellite?

Mostly the fact that

1. as someone mentioned already, x-ray lasers are not easy to generate, with designs sometimes using nukes to pump them [see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Excalibur ];

2. while x-rays can be reflected, x-ray mirrors don't behave like optical mirrors because the wavelength of an x-ray is in the same ballpark as the size of atoms (10 nm to 0.1 nm, with atomic radii being in the 0.1-0.01 nm range), and they only reflect 100% of incident radiation when it hits them at very shallow angles ("For gold at 1 keV, the critical reflection angle is 2.4 degrees") [see https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/128247/how-would... http://henke.lbl.gov/optical_constants/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_optics ].

When talking about lasers pumping out enough energy to be usable as weapons over distances of hundreds of kilometers - to bounce them off a satellite - you will need a mirror that can reflect that ray almost perfectly, or you'll just blast your own satellite out of the sky. And to do that, that mirror will only be able to reflect your ray at a shallow angle, which pretty much rules out bouncing an X-ray off it (unless your target is in orbit or, I suppose, if you have a fleet of such satellites, and coordinated enough to bounce the ray down 2° at a time).

[Also see http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunconvent... , C-s for "X-ray" and "grazing", but that whole website is a goldmine]

Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by TeMPOraL on Friday June 28, 2019 @04:22AM (#20302425)
How do you make an x-ray mirror that won't ablate and burn up when trying to reflect that kind of energy?

Also, I said "pumped x-ray laser" for a reason; this type of design usually involves blowing up the energy source and/or the laser medium. Fits the missile or shell use cases.

> The whole point of ordinance is its cheap

Not in the US, with how much missiles cost.

Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by ben_w on Friday June 28, 2019 @03:14AM (#20302162)
I thought the mean free path of x-rays in air would limit you to, effectively, “radiation mines”? (Or short-range death-rays, robot-mounted because the backscatter would kill a human operative)?
Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by TeMPOraL on Friday June 28, 2019 @04:26AM (#20302452)
If I'm reading this chart correctly[0], visible light has much worse mean free path than x-rays, so wouldn't x-ray lasers work even better than visible ones?

As for backscatter, that's only an argument for a shell instead of a ground installation - you pulse the laser high up, where the backscatter is of no concern to you.

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[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_free_path#/media/File:Pho...

Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by ben_w on Friday June 28, 2019 @08:47PM (#20310050)
I saw the same chart, but I thought it’s only showing down to 1 keV photons? Whereas blue light is about 2.6 eV?
Re:Pentagon has a laser that can identify people at a distan... by TeMPOraL on Saturday June 29, 2019 @03:37AM (#20311313)
My mistake, I confused the scales when reading the chart. Indeed it doesn't extend below 1keV.