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Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by clouddrover on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:58AM (#20293956)
> And compares against H.264 which says it all

They compared against HEVC as well. To quote the article: "This means that we can substantially raise quality, while saving bits, all with a very usable CPU footprint. We have found that the real-world compression/speed trade-offs for AV1 are in fact excellent, and better than HEVC."

And the business problem with HEVC is: "HEVC (aka H.265) comes with unacceptable patent cost, risk and uncertainty."

Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by p0nce on Thursday June 27, 2019 @11:24AM (#20295219)
It hasn't stopped HEVC from winning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgE8-4rcXl0
Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by clouddrover on Thursday June 27, 2019 @12:03PM (#20295657)
What do you believe HEVC is winning? The major online video platforms (YouTube, Vimeo, Netflix, Twitch, etc.) are all going to AV1.

HEVC had its shot but the terrible licensing stunted its growth and AV1 will replace it. Leonardo Chiariglione says the MPEG business model is broken and I think he's right:

http://blog.chiariglione.org/a-crisis-the-causes-and-a-solut...

Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by p0nce on Thursday June 27, 2019 @02:32PM (#20297210)
Leonardo Chiariglione also said "AOM will certainly give much needed stability to the video codec market but this will come at the cost of reduced if not entirely halted technical progress. "

which is a very real concern. (a bit tired arguing with people defending Google's contraption vs a codec with innovation from dozens of companies)

Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by metildaa on Thursday June 27, 2019 @02:46PM (#20297317)
AV1 is not jut Google's child, but rather Amazon, Cisco, Google, Intel, Microsoft, Mozilla and Netflix's collaboration to create a standard that isn't beholden to MPEG-LA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV1
Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by p0nce on Saturday June 29, 2019 @09:26AM (#20312430)
And who has paid the programmers on payroll on aomenc?
Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by clouddrover on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:02PM (#20300191)
> which is a very real concern.

It isn't. Innovation in video coding is driven by the need to achieve the same image quality in fewer bits for easier and cheaper distribution. All video platforms, providers, and users have a stake in achieving that improvement.

Video coding is not finished yet. There's still more to do and there will be an AV2 eventually.

Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by p0nce on Saturday June 29, 2019 @09:26AM (#20312428)
I see. You know better than the MPEG chairman. Good to know, I can retire from that debate.
Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by ZeroGravitas on Thursday June 27, 2019 @12:46PM (#20296136)
That's an interesting video, which part did you intend to support your HEVC winning claim?

Not the bit when he says AV1 looks much better than x265 (which he started and led development on) I guess.

Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by p0nce on Thursday June 27, 2019 @02:28PM (#20297148)
> which part did you intend to support your HEVC winning claim?

I suggest you see the whole video.

Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by ZeroGravitas on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:37PM (#20298462)
I did, that's why I was a little confused by your summary. It was a lot more nuanced than I was expecting.

I enjoyed the bit when he flashed up the logos of Netflix, Amazon, Vimeo, Microsoft and other AOM members as showing strong support for HEVC from streaming platforms. And the bit when he said that support by AOM member Apple was really key to HEVC success in America. Or that AOM member Samsung was putting HEVC in TVs.

The guy seems smart and informed, but the video had a lot of dramatic irony since many of the corporate big guns he uses to quantify HEVC success seem to be more and more vocal about their dissatisfaction with HEVC and plans to ditch it for AV1 as soon as possible, which is a phyrric kind of victory.

Re:Cisco Leap Frogs H.264 Video Collaboration with Real-Time... by p0nce on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:25PM (#20300321)
> many of the corporate big guns he uses to quantify HEVC success seem to be more and more vocal about their dissatisfaction with HEVC and plans to ditch it for AV1 as soon as possible

Do you have any source on this?