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Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by helenakyso on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:38AM (#20292690)
Any ideas of What, WE, the individuals can do to make politician and countries change?
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by tomtomtom777 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:51AM (#20292756)
Stop buying stuff without thought.

I know that a lot of people feel helpless because it's the big corporations that are emitting, but companies only emit CO2 if consumers pay them to do so.

Buying everything consciously, whether its food, appliances, housing, or a ticket to some performance, will make the world better.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by reallydontask on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:13AM (#20292850)
This is a pretty good idea but it needs a lot of people doing it.

We're in the process of moving home and putting everything into boxes makes one realize how much crap one has bought unnecessarily.

We're on a relatively special case in that we've only recently moved (18 months ago) so we actually have stuff that has never been used in our current house. A lot of this stuff has been donated to charity and some tossed but still my gf wants to take some stuff that hasn't been used in at least 18 months to the new house.

I am excluding Tools and camping gear from the list. The former for obvious reasons, the latter due to having recently had a baby we've not been camping for a bit, YMMV

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by lm28469 on Thursday June 27, 2019 @06:57AM (#20293317)
> This is a pretty good idea but it needs a lot of people doing it.

There is no way out of this that doesn't involve a "lot of people doing" something. Our lifestyles are just not sustainable.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by helenakyso on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:48AM (#20292990)
The problem is that the current society and economic system are "forcing" us to buy/have more and more thing on cheaper prices at any environmental costs.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by GoblinSlayer on Thursday June 27, 2019 @06:22AM (#20293142)
It only convinces, doesn't force.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by maxheadroom on Thursday June 27, 2019 @07:40AM (#20293509)
I would also like to add that some countries could contribute more by offering public transit infrastructure (like, at all - looking at you "deep south of the United States", where cities don't have any transit systems, whatsoever) and encouraging/subsidising/what-have-you of far more rail use than plane use.

Essentially, you're never going to drive car use down (and, thereby, fossil fuel use), if there are no viable alternatives than using a car and the poorest areas can't afford to "catch-up" to the electic vehicle trend[s].

Yes, the effect might be miniscule, compared to the output of CO^2 by businesses, but every little bit helps - when deforestation continues in the Amazon (e.g.: "the world's lungs") and we're not planting enough trees (anywhere) to counter-act that.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by viraptor on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:08AM (#20293677)
> and we're not planting enough trees (anywhere) to counter-act that.

Globally it looks like we're not doing that bad. There are areas doing worse (Africa, Latin America), but the trend seems ok even for them.

Based on http://www.fao.org/state-of-forests/en/

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by maxheadroom on Thursday June 27, 2019 @10:40AM (#20294785)
From the very same link you provided (fetched via WebArchive[0], as FAO seems down right now):

>However, deforestation is the second-leading cause of climate change after burning fossil fuels and accounts for nearly 20 percent of all greenhouse gas emissions — more than the world’s entire transport sector.

How can we be doing "not that bad" and it be the second-leading cause? These do not equate.

[0] - https://web.archive.org/web/20190627040941/http://www.fao.or...

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by H8crilA on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:07AM (#20292826)
Make sure your assets are shielded from the consequences. I'm a strong believer in voting with legs.

For example - it's insane how the Miami real estate prices ignore what's going on (they even have a cheerful name - "sunny day floods"): https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MIXRNSA Just sell it already! There's nothing good waiting for Miami, the city will die. Rent if you really want to stay till it blows up.

As far as stocks go many companies do not publish data on how climate change will impact them. But they probably will, soon, and ETFs will follow suit: https://www.economist.com/business/2019/02/21/business-and-t...

Of course for the worst case scenario (hundreds of millions of refugees from dried up / flooded places) no assets management strategy will help, as this will be a world-war impact event.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by avip on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:12AM (#20292842)
Minor correction: hundreds of millions of refugees is the best case scenario in the UN climate refugees projection.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by H8crilA on Thursday June 27, 2019 @02:48PM (#20297335)
By worst case I meant that warming is not stopped. There are scenarios under which it will be stopped, most likely one is solar geo-engineering.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by southern_cross on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:29AM (#20292912)
The flooding that is (was?) occurring in Miami was largely the result of a poorly designed rain-drain system, one which was installed with little to no back-flow prevention. This new system, which was put in place into allow rainwater to flow into the ocean more easily and so prevent flash flooding, unfortunately also allowed the ocean to easily flow back into the streets when conditions were right and so caused tidal flooding instead.

This was all covered in detail in the press at the time the problem first started occurring, and of course it made everyone involved look really bad. But then someone came up with "climate change" as the cause instead, so now the guilty parties had something to hide behind. The press had a field day with it, too, using it as "proof" of dangerously rising sea levels.

The attempted solution here (which is why I said "was?") was to install drainage pumps much like the type you find in New Orleans, because apparently going back and adding the proper back-flow prevention devices was going to be too involved and too expensive. But, of course, just as soon as those pumps were activated people started complaining about how they were polluting the ocean. In fact, they probably aren't putting anything into the ocean that wasn't already going there eventually anyway; they just made the situation more obvious.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by pfisch on Thursday June 27, 2019 @06:35AM (#20293209)
New Orleans is itself in a rapidly deteriorating state. I lived there for over 30 years, and it has gotten progressively worse and worse over time.

There are now frequent periods where you have to boil your water before you can use it, and it floods in a hard rain which didn't really happen 10 years ago.

I guess what I am saying is I don't believe you, and most of New Orleans going into the ocean as well.

New Orleans and Miami will just slowly deteriorate over time and people will stop investing in these places because it isn't worth the flood risks. Eventually New Orleans will really just be a tourist destination. The French Quarter and probably some of uptown around St. Charles will survive unless things get really bad.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by southern_cross on Thursday June 27, 2019 @09:51AM (#20294302)
> I guess what I am saying is I don't believe you, and most of New Orleans going into the ocean as well.

And why not? You could, you know, lift a finger and go check out for yourself the relevant local news reports about the current and past situation, but you have to go back a few years now to see how it all actually got started.

And pretty much all of coastal Louisiana is naturally subsiding (sinking) anyway. (The same is true for Texas, BTW, including much of its interior.) Flood control projects built on the Mississippi River over the past century have made the problem far more readily apparent today than it would otherwise be.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by scottlocklin on Thursday June 27, 2019 @07:28AM (#20293454)
You do realize New Orleans has always been under water, right? The reason it flooded is because the local government didn't bother managing the levees and floodwalls properly.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by pfisch on Thursday June 27, 2019 @07:45AM (#20293538)
Which time are you talking about when it flooded? It flooded on mother's day this year during just a hard rain because all the pumps are failing because the cities infrastructure is falling apart.

New Orleans has been losing its natural protection of the wet lands and barrier islands for decades, exacerbated by the oil companies digging trenches in the wetlands to speed up their demise.

Louisiana has been losing land for a long time, and it is concealed in maps by the local government.

In the last 80 years louisiana has lost 1900 square miles of land to the ocean.

https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/boot-no-more-a-wetter-map-...

The problem isn't only mismanagement. That is just one of many problems that are causing failing infrastructure throughout the city.

What the poster above said about Miami is probably somewhat true, in that mismanagement is one of the issues of why Miami is flooding as well. But it isn't the only problem and it isn't even the main issue these cities are facing.

It will only become more expensive to maintain these flood protections in the future, and create more opportunities for greater corruption as well.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by jsingleton on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:49AM (#20292994)
A few idea for individuals in this community.

https://climateaction.tech/

https://techimpactmakers.com/

https://fixathon.io/ <-- looking for sponsorship if any tech companies are feeling generous (https://bit.ly/fixathon-sponsor)

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by ForHackernews on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:33AM (#20292927)
You have to be loud and get in the faces of your politicians. Be a single-issue climate voter, go protest, sit-in at legislators offices, jam up their phone lines.

https://rebellion.earth/

https://www.sunrisemovement.org/

Really, it's stupid, but if the politicians can ignore you, they will. You have to make it so they can't ignore you.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by realreality on Thursday June 27, 2019 @08:12AM (#20293700)
Individuals can do very little, aside from reducing one's ecological footprint.

The key thing is to work with your neighbors, friends, and community to build on the movements that are already working to make politicians and countries change. This must be a collective effort.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by adrianN on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:44AM (#20292722)
Take to the streets, join Extinction Rebellion or something similar. At least talk to your representatives and vote.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by disordinary on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:40AM (#20292703)
Just a ground swell at the local level, cities all around the world are calling climate emergencies including all the main cities in New Zealand. The NZ government will have to follow suit.

Bigger cities are following too including New York and Sydney today.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by helenakyso on Thursday June 27, 2019 @04:45AM (#20292726)
But I think that by the time the government start making changes, it will be too late, as it is too late now. Like humanity must have a dramatic change - from top to bottom. The system is against the world

We live in a finite world consuming like it is infinite

Every action counts, but it will be hard and it must be super reinforced by law

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by disordinary on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:28AM (#20292911)
Well, depending on where you are you can also vote for the local green party. If you're in a proportional election system then that the bigger the green voting block is the better. If you're in a country with a first-past-the-post electoral system like the US, UK, or Australia then things are much tougher and you should also be campaigning for electoral reform to make your country more democratic.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by polotics on Thursday June 27, 2019 @07:00AM (#20293332)
Assuming your local green party representative doesn't think that shutting down a safe nuclear power plant has higher priority than CO2/Methane...
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by arethuza on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:42AM (#20292965)
The UK had a referendum on introducing a different voting system and there was no change as the general view seemed to be that "first past the post" gave strong governments.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by disordinary on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:59AM (#20293035)
Yeah, I wouldn't call the current British government strong but I would call the past six NZ governments strong. Each of those governments have been made up of at least three parties working together.

The Australian electoral system is first past the post too and is similarly as chaotic as the UK.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by cam_l on Thursday June 27, 2019 @09:27AM (#20294139)
Note Australia is not first past the post. It is preferential.

In practice this probably means you feel more like your vote matters, but eventually goes to one of the major parties.

Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by perfunctory on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:01AM (#20292802)
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by avip on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:10AM (#20292836)
Immigrate to a safe country.
Re:Average Global Temperatures since 1850 by helenakyso on Thursday June 27, 2019 @05:14AM (#20292853)
if the safe place let you migrate