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Re:The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I. by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @03:36AM (#20271917)
Self-driving cars may be safer than manually driven cars in certain contexts.

What's missing from AI is reliability. It's brittle, it works well in some situations and not at all in others.

Which is a problem, because you can never be sure how well it's working for you.

There's no anti-Dunning-Kruger-function to say "I'm sorry Dave, I can't handle this, you should take over" - partly because that's not something you want to experience driving into a hail storm at 70mph on a freeway if you're asleep, but also because it would require a level of domain-specific AI self-awareness that is barely on the radar in most domains.

Re:The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I. by yonkshi on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @03:50AM (#20271976)
Unfortunately any AI systems will encounter the verification dilemma, the more powerful an AI system becomes, the less verifiable it would be.
Re:The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I. by AstralStorm on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @03:53AM (#20271987)
Verification is easy, just like with humans. It's called a driver's license. And since the AI does not tire and can probably be sped up, you can put it through hundreds of thousands of hours of driving quickly in a good simulator with adversarial and normal situations, then rate it at various tasks. Just like we should do with human drivers, but fail to.

Explanation is harder. But we probably shouldn't care, even in courts people cannot often explain what and why they did while driving, or they just lie. The thing is, for liability purposes you have to ensure it is not a series defect and that a good human driver would not be able to handle it

Re:The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I. by ak39 on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @04:53AM (#20272263)
In the world of investments, that would be called buzzwordily as “back testing”.

But is it sufficient to answer _why_ the machine chose to act a certain way given a certain set of instantaneous input criteria?

Re:The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I. by lmm on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @05:51AM (#20272556)
No. But, as the parent post said, we don't always know why a human driver chose to act a certain way either. So that shouldn't be a blocker.
Re:The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I. by bumby on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @07:06AM (#20272952)
But we evolved to have empathy to help understand how humans act in the cases we don't have complete or good information.

This is why "crazy" people make us so uneasy. They don't fit our mental models for how a human should act. Would you be comfortable driving with a road full of unpredictable "crazies"?

I wonder if we'll ever have the same level of trust with AI as humans if it is still being used at a black box level.

Re:The BS-Industrial Complex of Phony A.I. by DonHopkins on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @12:19PM (#20275756)
Bad AI will suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect and overestimate its abilities, while good AI will suffer from Imposter Syndrome and underestimate its abilities.