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Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by groby_b on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:34PM (#20269224)
Under the moral principle that most three year olds learn from their parents: "Clean up your own shit".

If you build an oil platform in a known hurricane area, well, you're responsible for cleaning up when a hurricane hits your (shocker!) insufficiently prepared oil platform.

(I vaguely remember there's also a children's story about people building with the cheapest shit and not wanting to take responsibility - "Three little pigs")

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Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by ajmurmann on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:52PM (#20269366)
This is exactly what the OP referring to when he referenced negative externalities. This problem only exists because the oil company took a risk in order to make profits. The potential risk (the negative externally) materialized. If society eats up the cost, we encourage business practices that might be a net-negative for society as a whole. If the oil company has to pay for the cleanup, the market forces can determine if drilling the way they did, where they did is economical.
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by delecti on Monday June 24, 2019 @06:49PM (#20269347)
If a hurricane causes an oil platform to release oil, the platform was by definition not sufficiently prepared. The bar for "sufficiently prepared" might be prohibitively high, but that should just be the cost of business.
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by la_barba on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:05PM (#20269851)
>The bar for "sufficiently prepared" might be prohibitively high, but that should just be the cost of business.

I don't agree, and neither does centuries of established moral legal arguments adopted by developed nations.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by delecti on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @10:04AM (#20274266)
And I'm saying I think you (and those nations' standards) are wrong. We're letting companies profit off of the environment without being responsible for cleaning up after themselves when shit goes sideways.
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by la_barba on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @11:52AM (#20275426)
All designs break at some point. There is no such thing as hurricane proof. In this case the sub-surface safety valves designed to prevent oil spillage, failed. To take another industry, there are design risks when it comes to seatbelts, brakes, crumple zones, tires, fuel lines, etc, etc. Better designs for each of these safety features already exist. You can't simply wave a magic wand and ban cars with older designs. We have been making progress on all fronts when it comes to safety. I have family who has worked on oil rigs, and what we have now is a hell of a lot better than the rickety explosion-prone rigs from 60-odd years ago.

>We're letting companies profit off of the environment without being responsible for cleaning up after themselves when shit goes sideways.

That is just a hyperbole and is not grounded in reality. Ironically, in this case, the company lost the oil, lost the 'money', wasn't able to profit, and went out of business. Looks like you got what you wanted. :)

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by moultano on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:09PM (#20269477)
>They didn't cause the hurricane. Your moral principle is invalid here.

They caused the hole in the oil bed that the oil is gushing out of.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by ashildr on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:04PM (#20269446)
If the street is wet and I lose control over my car and run you down with it because of that, who is going to pay for your hospital fees?
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Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by maxxxxx on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:46PM (#20270120)
"I work out and stay healthy."

You are aware that this is not a 100% plan for staying healthy ?

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by code_duck on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:40PM (#20270081)
Unfortunately, a fire in one person’s yard is not likely to stay just in their yard. Even if you feel like the people who are responsible should burn to death if they don’t have their own private fire service, unfortunately, their neighbors and possibly the entire community are likely to suffer if the fire is not extinguished immediately.
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by mulmen on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:17PM (#20269928)
So in this example it’s your fault you were walking down the street and because you work out being hit by a car won’t hurt you?
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by la_barba on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:37PM (#20270069)
Fault is a loaded word, and is inapplicable in this context. The burden of the cost is borne by the party that society that chooses using whatever framework exists. Maybe it was "mob justice" a thousand years ago. Today, maybe its in the form of a lawsuit. Maybe its a social safety net that pays for your medical expenses.
Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by mffnbs on Monday June 24, 2019 @07:40PM (#20269680)
Continuing to allow businesses to take out loans against the environment is a net negative for society as a whole if those loans are never expected to be repaid.

There are few industries that break down binary "free market or bust" logic. This happens to be one of them and you cannot apply some global, arbitrarily defined, rule of responsibility when the real world is more nuanced than that.

Re:Longest-running oil spill in history releasing more than ... by tclancy on Monday June 24, 2019 @08:14PM (#20269905)
They decided to take on the risk of possibly having their rig knocked over by drilling in a dangerous place because the potential reward while it was pumping was large enough according to their calculations (do note their calculations may or may not have cynically included wondering if there are enough people who are thinking like you are) and lost that bet.

Vegas never seems concerned I thought the other team was going to win.