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Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by tenpies on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:40PM (#20245696)
To be honest, the real protests should begin as key organizers magically "disappear" over the next few months. I can only imagine the amount of intelligence Beijing has collected over these last few days and what sort of operations they have in mind.

The loss of face that they have suffered from this will not stand.

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by JumpCrisscross on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:57PM (#20245828)
> The loss of face that they have suffered from this will not stand

Beijing has limited force projection options. Rolling in the military means inviting international sanctions and possibly military aid, if not for Hong Kong then almost certainly for Taiwan.

The protesters are rationally responding to a ham-fisted (yet weak) authoritarian move by Beijing. (The right move for Beijing is retreat. But that option went off the table when Xi installed himself as leader for life.)

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by csomar on Friday June 21, 2019 @05:25PM (#20246421)
> Beijing has limited force projection options. Rolling in the military means inviting international sanctions and possibly military aid, if not for Hong Kong then almost certainly for Taiwan.

From my limited knowledge, the US has a military base in Taiwan. It'd be hard to invade the country without conflict with such a base. And even a small incident can spiral into a war with China. So no, I think Taiwan situation is way different than Hong Kong.

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by JumpCrisscross on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:15PM (#20246720)
> Taiwan situation is way different than Hong Kong

It is. But re-integration remains a goal for Beijing. If not realistically, then at least politically.

The more aggressive Xi has been with Hong Kong, the more Taiwan has stiffened. Rolling tanks into Hong Kong would give Taiwan legitimate cover for being supplied weapons. For a variety of reasons, China doesn’t want that. That, in turn, gives the protesters leverage.

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by petre on Friday June 21, 2019 @07:42PM (#20247138)
Taiwan is supplied with weapons. US and Taiwanese gov't officials take Xi's threats quite seriously. No need for legitimate cover.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/us/politics/trump-taiwan-...

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by seanmcdirmid on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:33PM (#20246818)
> From my limited knowledge, the US has a military base in Taiwan.

Huh? No, it doesn't. It has military bases in nearby Okinawa, however. I'm sure the USA setting up a military base in Taiwan would really piss China off, and it would also be not very useful since the Ryukyu Islands are right next door anyways.

The USA simply provides Taiwan with weapons, and occasionally meanders an aircraft carrier around (or used to, it doesn't do that much anymore).

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by csomar on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:53PM (#20246917)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Taiwan_Defense_C...

Taiwan existed because of the US. Basically, the other side of the civil war got defeated and come hiding in Taiwan behind US military. Otherwise, it'd have been invaded by China since.

It seems currently that there is no official military presence. However, there is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Assurances

I think it's enough to deter China from attacking Taiwan.

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by seanmcdirmid on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:46PM (#20247732)
Taiwan exists because Mao decided to spend all his international capital on a Korean invasion rather than a Taiwan one, making the USA care about Taiwan again.

In an alternate dimension where Mao held back, we would have had a unified Korea and China, strange.

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by lsc36 on Friday June 21, 2019 @09:53PM (#20247552)
This was only active until 1979; the US currently has no military presence in Taiwan.
Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by DeonPenny on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:18PM (#20246739)
CCP military is already in the city. They have been building bases in the city since before 2014
Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by JumpCrisscross on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:42PM (#20246856)
> CCP military is already in the city

Rolling in the military as in deploying it against peaceful protesters. A second Tiananmen Square. They have the forces but are constrained in projecting them.

Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by phyalow on Friday June 21, 2019 @06:50PM (#20246903)
Indeed, the PLA's main garrison (ex. British Army) sits directly in front of Merrill Lynch's Hong Kong Tower (BAML), the irony is not lost on Hong Kongers for sure.
Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by verttii on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:14PM (#20247625)
It's highly unlikely that any country would impose sanctions on China for such measures. Hell, we don't even have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan anywhere because everyone fears losing the chance to do business with China.
Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by wbl on Friday June 21, 2019 @10:35PM (#20247693)
We still sanction China for Tianmen square.
Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by OrgNet on Saturday June 22, 2019 @01:39AM (#20248204)
> But, unfortunately, the sanctions have rarely been enforced and U.S. companies skirt the sanctions with impunity. In 2011, Cisco sold over 500,000 cameras to the city of Chongqing specifically to watch its citizens.
Re:Hong Kong Protesters Keep Up the Pressure by NeedMoreTea on Friday June 21, 2019 @04:07PM (#20245894)
Already in the plan by the sound of things, with the reports of police arresting the injured in hospital, and being given back door access to medical records...