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Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by onion2k on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:11AM (#20240256)
Finally, this is unenforceable without weekly spying to determine if a home is occupied or not.

Just ask the utility companies how much electricity and water are being used. No spying required.

Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by fiter on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:13AM (#20240260)
What do you think will be more expensive: wasted water and electricity or this proposed tax?
Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by reallydontask on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:21AM (#20240302)
In this country (UK), stamp duty land (the tax you pay when you buy a new house) is higher if you are buying a house that won't be your main residence, so taxing vacant homes is, in principle, a workable tax policy.

I'm sure there would be people that would try to work around the system, same as with every other law.

Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by TheOtherHobbes on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:46AM (#20240427)
What do you think would be more expensive: a criminal conviction for fraudulently disguising property status, or this tax?
Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by chrisco255 on Friday June 21, 2019 @11:01AM (#20243076)
There's nothing criminal about owning a second house and using electricity. Maybe there's staff members keeping it clean. Maybe there's a pool pump that needs to run. You completely ignore the spectrum of utility consumption for completely vacant, minimally occupied, half occupied, etc. homes that exist on the market.
Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by yardstick on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:52AM (#20240459)
Investigating and prosecuting would be more expensive than either. Plus proving intent over “oh I forgot to check all my taps before I went out, whoops” is difficult.
Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by writepub on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:15AM (#20240270)
Utility companies wrongfully deducing occupancy based on usage is an ever grater issue than the proposal to spy on one's utility usage.

FYI - your pitch is equivalent to spying on call metadata vs content, which has been proven to be dangerous enough

Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by icelancer on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:17AM (#20240279)
>> Just ask the utility companies how much electricity and water are being used. No spying required.

How will this be difficult to fake? Just run timers on some appliances, or buy up cheap cryptomining gear that mines at negative ROI and run it.

Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by onion2k on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:09AM (#20240545)
How will this be difficult to fake?

Very easy, but it'd be tax evasion which is a serious crime.

Most taxes are pretty trivial to evade if you put some thought in to it. Very few people bother because the reward doesn't outweigh the risk. Saving a few tens of thousands of dollars a year isn't worthwhile if the penalty for being found out is losing everything you saved and years in prison. It's actually one of the few places in criminal law where the penalty actually works as a deterrent.

Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by luckylion on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:59AM (#20240504)
To get the perfect fake, just hire somebody to live in your vacant house!

Next up: captchas to turn on the stove. "We need to make sure you're a human that wants to prepare food and not just a weird property owner that wants to pretend that somebody lives here".

Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by sundaeofshock on Friday June 21, 2019 @07:29AM (#20241534)
Interesting idea. I bet you might even find someone who would be willing to pay you to live there. Crazy idea, I’m sure…
Re:L.A. council members propose taxing landlords who leave h... by asah on Friday June 21, 2019 @02:54AM (#20240471)
Indeed, it's worth noting that there's algorithms that can look at the waveforms of your smart meter and decide what appliances you have, often down to the make/model. It's called "disaggregation" in the industry.

See bidgely.com for one example.