Re:Tesla Model 3 spoofed off the highway
by _jn on Thursday June 20, 2019 @02:56PM
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Onboard computers can have compasses and a pretty good idea of how fast they're going. You could just be monitoring for any weird jumps or incongruences (eg. there is a road here, but it's at a different angle than the GPS signal indicates, the path recently followed doesn't match up with the map based on current GPS reading, ...) assuming you have good enough accuracy and can track it over time.
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Seems like the spoofers could work around that and still do damage if they wanted to, by gradually shifting away from reality. The open-loop position estimate will never be perfect, so some margin would have to be designed into such a check, and that could be exploited. It would still be better than nothing though.
Yep, should work on those hundreds-of-miles-straight midwest roads ;)
Re:Tesla Model 3 spoofed off the highway
by rightbyte on Thursday June 20, 2019 @03:16PM
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Nitpicking but compasses are useless in a driving EV.
Re:Tesla Model 3 spoofed off the highway
by jimmaswell on Thursday June 20, 2019 @03:28PM
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Why, the motor makes too much of a magnetic field? What if it corrected for the field it projects the motor to make at a given speed?
Re:Tesla Model 3 spoofed off the highway
by greglindahl on Thursday June 20, 2019 @06:27PM
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The display in pretty much all GPS units uses a compass to orient the little car/human thingie. I've never seen my phone map display be disoriented by accelerating in an EV.
Re:Tesla Model 3 spoofed off the highway
by rightbyte on Thursday June 20, 2019 @06:49PM
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Maybe they are using GPS bearing with gyro compensation?
Re:Tesla Model 3 spoofed off the highway
by jaytaylor on Thursday June 20, 2019 @03:24PM
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Why is that?
Claims without explanation don't move the conversation forward much.
Re:Tesla Model 3 spoofed off the highway
by rightbyte on Thursday June 20, 2019 @03:32PM
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Oh, ye, the current gives strong magnetic fields.
YMMV but I've done IMU measurements in a EV and the compass course changed like 90 degrees from zero to full throttle. Was a low voltage 50V EV prototype though (higher currents).
To be fair I'm not too sure how sensitive compasses are in high voltage EVs.