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Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by tomdell on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:11PM (#20226370)
There are more convenient and ethical ways to consume music than theft. Don't lie to yourself about what you're doing by pretending you're on some moral high ground for stealing music. Funds going to Universal filter through to musicians and artists as royalties and fund artist advances, recording and mastering costs, thousands of employee and contractor salaries, and so much more than just lobbyists.
Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by cwkoss on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:15PM (#20226403)
Music piracy is not theft. It deprives the owner of nothing. Please don't parrot music lobbyist propaganda here. I would download a car.

Supply has exploded exponentially. Music is never going to be as profitable as it was previously (and it wasn't very profitable previously). Their lack of a modern business model is not a valid reason to rent-seek the poor if they want to participate in culture.

Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by volkl48 on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:51PM (#20226706)
Music looks poised to be as profitable as it was previously, possibly more so for the labels. Whether or not artists see that money is a different question.

The music industry is doing pretty decently. Streaming revenues are significant and industry revenue has been growing for years.

https://pitchfork.com/features/article/the-record-industry-e...

For the artists themselves, live touring looks to be their most reliable way to make money.

Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by cwkoss on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @04:08PM (#20226838)
Interesting link, thanks for sharing.

I'm more inclined to think that streaming revenue will plateau around ~$10-13B. It makes sense that demand for streaming is a bit more than demand for CDs, because it allows cheaper monetization of the long tail and recurring revenue. However, I'd be surprised if the industry ever pushes over that $21.5B inflation-adjusted peak again though.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/music-industry-sales/

Rent-seeking music labels have done a good job determining the maximum amount that consumers are willing to pay for music. Now we as consumers should make an effort to ensure the maximum percentage of revenue reaches artist. UMG siphoning 85% of revenue is abhorrent.

Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by tomdell on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @04:40PM (#20227117)
Music piracy is theft, period. Don't lie to yourself. Bloviate over it however you want, but in the end, you're stealing from musicians.

It's one thing to steal and acknowledge it, but it's a completely different thing to steal and pretend as if you're doing the world a favor and standing up for disadvantaged people. You stealing music helps you and only you at the expense of others. You're cheapening legitimate anti-capitalist rhetoric by abusing it for such a self-important and intellectually void purpose.

Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by cwkoss on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @05:57PM (#20227787)
Bob Dylan got started playing covers of songs written by other people. Back then most artists did. "If only he had a shark in a suit preventing people from listening to his music, imagine how great he could have been if he only had more capital" \s.

The equivalence between cultural content sharing and theft was manufactured by the intellectual property lobby in recent history.

None of moral reasons for prohibiting theft apply to intellectual property. The marginal cost of production is zero. Society is poorer for enabling the greedy to charge admission for access to culture and information.

You're free to make your own calculus, but it seems that your opinion is in the minority here.

Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by tomdell on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:36AM (#20240652)
I'm criticizing you, not the idea of sharing music or playing cover songs.
Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by cwkoss on Friday June 21, 2019 @03:01PM (#20245382)
Huh? I thought we were talking about sharing music this whole time...?

What is your definition of 'music theft' that is distinct from sharing music?

Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by MaupitiBlue on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @04:10PM (#20226862)
> Music piracy is not theft. It deprives the owner of nothing.

The right to determine the terms by which their product is distributed.

When you want something, and you don’t want to pay for it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwjiO1MCVs

Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by DanTheManPR on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @04:15PM (#20226898)
So you agree that it's not theft. Unless you're trying to move the goalposts.
Re:YouTube is working with Universal Music Group to remaster... by 4ntonius8lock on Wednesday June 19, 2019 @03:17PM (#20226419)
You can always donate directly to the artists.

I believe in situational ethics. If someone steals, and you can avoid paying them, why pay someone who would steal from you?

Let's not pretend that using lobbyists to buy politicians to curtail freedom is less than stealing. It's actively participating in the undermining of democracy.

Rent seeking institutions should be taken down via any peaceful means available.