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Re:Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve by mindcrime on Monday June 17, 2019 @12:58PM (#20204952)
I wonder how much salary increase it would take to make working with xml/spring worth someone's while.

Meh.. in my opinion a lot of this is just tropes. Spring is a fine environment to work in, although you really don't have to use any XML with modern Spring. But you can if you prefer to for some reason.

All the annotation driven "black magic" can be mildly annoying at times, especially before you understand what's going on under the hood... but considering the amount of boiler-plate crap it saves you from dealing with, I'll happily accept that tradeoff.

For my money, if I was starting a new backend service today, I'd absolutely reach for Spring Boot as my starting point. Of course, I may be biased given that I've been writing Java code for 20 years, and I remember what a breath of fresh air Spring was compared to the old EJB 2.x era "J2EE" stuff.

Re:Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve by LoSboccacc on Monday June 17, 2019 @02:12PM (#20205817)
> old EJB 2.x era "J2EE"

could have had worse you started just around the xdoclet, that was peak madness

Re:Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve by alasdair_ on Tuesday June 18, 2019 @02:16AM (#20210176)
Some of us worked at a shop that embraced Microsoft’s “embrace and extend” J++ with COM wrappers to go with Java. I still think THAT was peak insanity.
Re:Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve by mindcrime on Monday June 17, 2019 @02:35PM (#20206023)
I actually was around for the XDoclet era, although I managed to mostly avoid going down that particular rabbit-hole personally. I think I even have the Manning XDoclet in Action book still on a shelf somewhere around here. Never quite got around to reading it...
Re:Love It or Hate It, Java Continues to Evolve by agumonkey on Monday June 17, 2019 @04:52PM (#20207248)
java: provider of fine screen stand since 1995