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Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by Johnny555 on Monday June 17, 2019 @11:20AM (#20203830)
10 years ago we still had in-car GPS's, but instead of being an app it was a standalone device, I don't see how that makes anything better.

Having my car read a SMS from my wife reminding me to pick up eggs from the store on the way home hardly seems like being a zombie.

We survived without a lot of things we have now that we didn't have 10, or even 100 years ago, but that doesn't mean we were better off without them.

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by magduf on Monday June 17, 2019 @12:48PM (#20204831)
I remember driving before GPS: there was tons of time and gasoline wasted driving in circles looking for things, getting lost, pulling over and trying to make sense of a paper map that doesn't have that much resolution, asking people for directions and getting useless and wrong directions, etc. It was a total pain in the ass.

I also remember life before cellphones. You couldn't communicate with people when you were en-route, so you didn't find out until you got there that something was canceled, or you needed to get something on the way, or were meeting somewhere else, etc. So again, lots of wasted time and gas.

I'm surprised people with this luddite mentality don't tell us that we should all just go back to writing letters, because things were so great back before we could have real-time conversations over a long distance...

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by celticmusic on Monday June 17, 2019 @01:07PM (#20205055)
I don't think people are arguing that cell phones and technology is bad, just cautioning for moderation.
Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by Johnny555 on Monday June 17, 2019 @02:05PM (#20205726)
I don't think people are arguing that cell phones and technology is bad, just cautioning for moderation.

Some people are:

I'd argue that life is worse since smartphones were invented, on many axes.

and:

Now almost everyone has been turned into a phone zombie. You're wasting your lives people!

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by gerbilly on Monday June 17, 2019 @02:24PM (#20205921)
Yeah that's me quoted above, and yes arguing against smartphones.

I believe smartphones are a net loss to people's happiness.

All of these liberating technologies are fun for the early adopters, but then become oppressive once you are expected to have them. We are quickly reaching that point.

What they really are are surveillance transponders that we carry around voluntarily.

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by Johnny555 on Monday June 17, 2019 @04:26PM (#20206969)
The privacy issues are real, but you're only a slave to the device if you want to be (or you let others force you to be).

Where you see oppression, I see convenience.

If I'm on vacation and forgot to turn the thermostat down before leaving, I can use an app on my phone to do so remotely.

If there's a cold spell and the furnace fails, that same app will notify me when the house gets too cold so I can find someone to go check on it.

My wife can add (or remove) items to the shopping list while I'm already at the store.

When I'm at the doctor and want to confirm what drug I'm taking, I can bring up my online account from the pharmacy.

When I'm on the bus home and watch to finish reading the book I was reading at home on my eReader, I can bring up that book on the app on my phone -- and it will start up on the page where I stopped reading last night.

I do have my work email delivered to my phone, but I turned notifications off -- I only see a work email if I intentionally look for it.

I do have a notification app from work installed on my phone that can notify me 24 hours a day when I'm on call, but even that is more convenient from when I carried a pager and only got a numeric page so I couldn't tell whether or not it was something that had to be dealt with immediately or could wait until I got home later -- I'd have to dial-in to find out (and I had to literally dial-in on a physical phone line since in those days my phone wasn't a hotspot that can give me internet access anywhere, or I can just check on the service with my smartphone instead of having to get out my laptop)

There are lots of ways the phone makes my life more convenient.

Re:Mazda is purging touchscreens from its vehicles by gerbilly on Monday June 17, 2019 @11:55AM (#20204243)
It doesn't immediately mean we're better off with them either.

I'd argue that life is worse since smartphones were invented, on many axes.

The privacy implications alone far outweigh the benefits.