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Re:Zero elephants poached in a year in top Africa wildlife park by 29athrowaway on Saturday June 15, 2019 @02:27PM (#20191345)
The most proficient elephant killer is Allan Savory.

He killed 40,000 elephants "to prevent desertification", only to make desertification worse. That is about 5% to 10% of the entire world elephant population.

Re:Zero elephants poached in a year in top Africa wildlife park by neonate on Saturday June 15, 2019 @03:04PM (#20191526)
You didn't mention that this was in the 1960s, that he acknowledged it was a terrible mistake, and that his subsequent work has been based on trying to correct it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Savory

I'd never heard of Allan Savory, but this took less than a minute to look up.

Re:Zero elephants poached in a year in top Africa wildlife park by 29athrowaway on Saturday June 15, 2019 @03:16PM (#20191593)
Does that change the fact that he killed 40,000 elephants for the wrong reasons?
Re:Zero elephants poached in a year in top Africa wildlife park by neonate on Saturday June 15, 2019 @04:02PM (#20191797)
Of course not. It means you misleadingly gave one side of the story. I doubt you'd like it if someone took the worst thing you ever did, defined you publicly by that, and didn't mention your efforts to make amends.

Look at this way. When I read your comment I thought, "what a monster. How is it possible that such a monster exists in this world." That's why I went to look him up. But when I read two or three other facts about the story, that feeling went away and was replaced by the feeling that I had been tricked. Had you mentioned that this happened over 50 years ago, your comment wouldn't have had that effect, because today's knowledge and moral consciousness, both of which you're relying on, didn't exist back then. But instead you wrote in the present tense, obfuscating that. You also used the word "proficient", implying that killing elephants was his main goal. And you put his stated goal in scare quotes. That just seems like a lot of misleading for a short comment.

Re:Zero elephants poached in a year in top Africa wildlife park by nobodyandproud on Saturday June 15, 2019 @08:35PM (#20193086)
Perhaps the story isn’t very one-sided, if one digs deeper.

Instead of testing the elephant culling hypothesis, the man ran wholesale with an idea that appealed to his senses.

He was later involved in politics and essentially called himself a terrorist, if he were black. Which pretty much got him the boot.

He’s now advocating for grazing patterns and movements to “mimic” natural patterns, even though the evidence for his theories are thin.

The man has a habit of hubris yet manages to retain influence, which is not to be lightly ignored.

Re:Zero elephants poached in a year in top Africa wildlife park by 29athrowaway on Saturday June 15, 2019 @06:00PM (#20192442)
40,000 elephants dead in the physical world with long-lasting environmental consequences = very relevant

1 man changing his mind after having done irreversible damage to the environment near the end of his career = not as relevant

He should be spending all his time and energy breeding elephants. Instead, he is giving talks about how he got away with this and making a living from it.

Re:Zero elephants poached in a year in top Africa wildlife park by pbhjpbhj on Saturday June 15, 2019 @04:06PM (#20191820)
It doesn't change the fact he killed a lot of elephants, but it does make your drawing only that part of the story to our attention rather poor commenting IMO.

Also, is preventing desertification, which affects far more species, actually the wrong reason? Sure his analysis was wrong and so it didn't work, but his motivation seemed better than you're suggesting by saying "for the wrong reasons"?

Re:Zero elephants poached in a year in top Africa wildlife park by equdi on Saturday June 15, 2019 @03:43PM (#20191717)
That's like textboot journalism: say something that is true but at the same time omit an important part to create a negative reaction.