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Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by gumby on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:22AM (#20175729)
Interesting they say "suck it up, lie, or resist". The other way is to push the requirement further down: I don't understand this thing you're buying but you have represented to me that it is necessary.

That's the actual responsible way to do it.

Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by cakeface on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:31AM (#20175813)
I like this thought. What would it take to certify the form? 10 hours a month? 20? Can you redirect other people on your team to work on this?

When it is broken down to a cost (time) calculation then it might actually become reasonable to invest in a better system for accounting and analyzing expenditures.

Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by michaelt on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:07PM (#20176199)
Today I expensed a $10 BNC connector.

How long do you suppose it would take to confirm that it was a part we need, that we don't already have, and that I got a good price on it? And how many such claims do you think each person in the finance department sees each day?

Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by rootusrootus on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:43PM (#20176545)
That's why each level of management, and the individual contributor as well, should have their own levels of certification. I can self-certify, say, $50 as essential. My manager can certify $5000, the director might do $50K, and so on.
Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by gubbrora on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:28PM (#20176397)
You can deduce immediately that expensing is cheaper than the time it would take to investigate thoroughly
Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by michaelt on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:40PM (#20176519)
I agree, nobody in their right mind would audit every such expense.

But he isn't being asked to sign that expenses are "essential or too trivial to audit" he has to sign that all expenses are essential.

Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by vharuck on Thursday June 13, 2019 @05:13PM (#20178619)
>I agree, nobody in their right mind would audit every such expense.

I'll bite. Our money counters aren't in their right minds, because I submitted a small breakfast tab (at most $10) from work travel for reimbursement, only to learn it was unacceptable to not include a receipt. My other meals had receipts, but I had forgotten to ask for one this time. The accountant then said I had to call the cafe for a receipt. Luckily, the place had a website with contact info, and there was a helpful employee who emailed me the receipt.

But I spent at least an hour talking with the accountant and getting the receipt. The accountant spent probably 30 minutes with this problem. It was a net loss.

Obviously, I work in the government.

Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by gknoy on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:31PM (#20176979)
In that context, it IS essential: We need the item, and it's cheaper to buy a new one than to figure out if we already have one.
Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by gumby on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:31PM (#20176431)
Exactly: you should certify that to the best of your knowledge those things are true so you got it. There might be one in inventory on the other side of the country but still it was better to buy one rather than try to figure that out (or wait for that, and cheaper than shipping it even if it existed).

It should be a check box on your expense report.

Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by Bartweiss on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:28AM (#20175781)
It doesn't look like a total fix in this case, since the questioner still has to certify that they've only approved essential things. The initial form is too badly botched for "I've verified that this was claimed as essential" to suffice.

But in general, this is a good point. People are always going to have to accept decisions with incomplete information. The fix for that isn't owning outcomes they don't understand, it's clarifying what they're really doing; in this case, George isn't verifying the necessity but rather that experts have declared the thing necessary.

Re:Dear Bureaucrat, my job wants me to lie by jasonhansel on Thursday June 13, 2019 @02:57PM (#20177645)
Yeah. It doesn't sound like it'd take too much work for this manager to get a general sense from his employees of how "essential" a purchase is.