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Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by Robotbeat on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @03:26PM (#20158703)
It'll stab you in the throat.

A real concern for children, and undoubtedly also for some disabled folk: https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2016/starbucks-to-recall-stainl...

Just use biodegradable plastic straws.

Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by amyjess on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @04:22PM (#20159180)
Biodegradable plastic has its own issues as well. Nearly all of them are food-based and will set off one food allergy or another, plus you may also have issues with straws dissolving in hot liquids.

Someone elsewhere in the thread mentioned straws made of lobster shells. In addition to shellfish allergies, such a straw isn't going to be suitable for anyone who's vegan, and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't kosher either (TBH, I'm Jewish, but I don't keep kosher, and I don't know enough about the laws of kashrut to say whether or not drinking out of a lobster-shell straw is equivalent to eating lobster).

Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by Robotbeat on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @04:24PM (#20159203)
Hard to drink hot liquids with a straw anyway (stirrers are another story).

The plastics I'm think of are PLA and PHA. Mainly made of corn, but you could synthesize them from pure chemicals as well. Far more common than these "lobster shell" ones.

Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by amyjess on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @04:36PM (#20159284)
Honestly, even in cold liquids, I'd be worried about non-plastic straws getting soggy and/or melting if left long enough.

I haven't specifically looked into PLA and PHA much, but a quick google sees PLA being referred to as "too good to be true" and having "misleading biodegradability". I'm not seeing such concerns about PHA, but I've also only spent like a minute looking it up, and I wouldn't be surprised if some more intensive searching turns up some serious drawbacks. I have turned up some concerns about bioplastic production competing with food for the same agricultural resources, though.

Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by Robotbeat on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @05:32PM (#20159718)
PLA really needs an industrial composter to break down fully, but this is still better than traditional plastics. It's just polymerized lactic acid, which is common and naturally occuring in the human body.

PHA generally breaks down faster in the natural environment (i.e. it's biodegradable, not just compostable) and it has similar properties to PLA.

Straws use an absolutely minimal amount of material. I really don't think concern over agricultural resources is valid for such uses as it is compared to, say, the massive amounts used for biofuels. And of course, it's not as if metals have no resource requirements, either.

A typical straw weighs about .42 grams and thus uses about as much agricultural material as two kernels of corn (about as many calories as two tic tacs). That's not the problem, here. To put that in perspective, the energy in that straw (about 0.005 kilowatt-hours) is less than we just wasted arguing about it online.

Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by ccozan on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @03:52PM (#20158924)
IKEA sells in Germany straws from paper. Kids love them. Very light.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by amyjess on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @04:23PM (#20159188)
...and they'll also get soggy and dissolve in your drinks.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by remir on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @07:54PM (#20160587)
I tried paper straws a couple of times at A&W and it wasn't that bad. Granted, it was a cold drink, which could perhaps be problematic with hot drinks, but beside a texture difference, I found the paper straw to be an acceptable replacement.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by alacombe on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @10:16PM (#20161182)
They were probably coated with wax, which make them... non-recyclable.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by jogjayr on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:53AM (#20162355)
Wax-coated paper is probably far safer to dispose by burning than plastic.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by remir on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @05:14PM (#20169370)
I'm pretty sure platic straws are not being recycled. Paper straws are at least more sustainable.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by ccozan on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @01:59AM (#20162112)
Sure, they will be dirty with whatever you drink too. But they are bio-degradable, compared to plastic.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by Robotbeat on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @04:26PM (#20159217)
I actually have a 3D printed PLA straw (nominally compostable) that I reuse (single layer so it can be cleaned/dried). Weird, not super feasible for most people, but I needed a straw and didn't have one.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by darkpuma on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @08:18PM (#20160705)
They just need more wax then. Cups made from paper work perfectly well; so should straws.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by hedora on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @12:51AM (#20161862)
The cups are typically coated in plastic, last time I checked. (This is not obvious from looking at them though).
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by darkpuma on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @01:36AM (#20162035)
I can't say I'm a cup expert, but I'm quite sure that paper cups (or straws) can be made waterproof if impregnated with wax.
Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by ccozan on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:02AM (#20162122)
You don't need to make them waterproof. How long do you plan to drink a soda or whatever else?

My kids are done in max 10mins and they look mostly untouched.

I left it for one hour in a hot cocoa though, and it was not intact anymore but still usable to a degree.

Re:Canada Plans to Ban Single-Use Plastics, Joining Growing ... by darkpuma on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:31AM (#20162248)
Let's say somebody gets served their beverage when they sit down, then neglect it until after they're doing eating. In a cold beverage, I'd want a straw to last at least an hour. I don't think that should be hard to accomplish either.