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Re:WeChat and the Surveillance State by komali2 on Saturday June 08, 2019 @02:20PM (#20134084)
Interesting, I hadn't heard that the United States government was wholesale surveilling its population, with no oversight, with an open tap in Facebook data, and using that information to imprison people for thought crimes such as having a religion.

False equivalence doesn't pass for me. The USA has surveillance issues, but it isn't the prc.

Re:WeChat and the Surveillance State by jimclegg on Saturday June 08, 2019 @02:43PM (#20134226)
In many ways its worse, PRC doesn't arrest or extrajudicially murder people that have never visited China from what I understand.

Julian Assange would be surfing in Australia with his family right now if he exposed Chinese war crimes.

Re:WeChat and the Surveillance State by komali2 on Monday June 10, 2019 @12:42PM (#20148348)
> Julian Assange would be surfing in Australia with his family right now if he exposed Chinese war crimes.

We certainly don't know this to be true or false, because China hasn't had a Julian Assange yet.

What we can work with is available data - China has tens of thousands of thought-criminals in reeducation camps, and is actively killing them for their organs. America has leveraged its extrajudicial international powers twice in recent memory - once for Julian Assange, once for Kim Dotcom.

Re:WeChat and the Surveillance State by AnthonyWnC on Saturday June 08, 2019 @06:05PM (#20135472)
5 eyes, Prism, ATT fiber tapping, windows NSA key etc.. And how do you manage to conveniently forget about Snowden revelation?
Re:WeChat and the Surveillance State by magpi3 on Saturday June 08, 2019 @07:48PM (#20135973)
Still not even close. The U.S. has a constitution that gives its citizens legal recourse when they feel the government has gone too far and gives them some basic rights. The U.S. has elections to hold leaders accountable. China has none of these things.

I admit the U.S. govt probably envies the system China is putting in place and would love to emulate it, but the system of checks and balances built into the American political and legal system makes that impossible.

It is specifically the lack of checks and balances in China that makes what is happening so frightening. Their surveillance state is really just beginning. I wonder just how dystopian it will become in the next ten to twenty years.

Re:WeChat and the Surveillance State by ephemeralism on Saturday June 08, 2019 @10:53PM (#20136773)
How does elections hold leaders accountable?
Re:WeChat and the Surveillance State by magpi3 on Sunday June 09, 2019 @03:13AM (#20137697)
Leaders always know they have to answer to voters. So They cannot just do whatever they want. The communist party in China does not have to answer to voters. So they can do whatever they want.

I concede that perhaps there are internal checks and balances in the communist party that I am unaware of.