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Re:I’m not saving ninety percent of my income for myself by roenxi on Saturday June 08, 2019 @12:00PM (#20133077)
> ... so that they can choose their own avenues of success ...

At present 'success' in practice is basically synonymous with 'resource consumption'. At a guess that is going to be a very sticky connection that might even be wired in at the biological level; it seems to be quite consistent across the different cultures I know of.

It is not possible to liberate people to pursue success by improving the social safety nets. People who use their free time to advance society are as rare as hens teeth; even most of the productive people use their free time to advance their own interests or their immediate families interests.

I think there is a good argument for making sure everyone has few-questions-asked access to ~9,000 kJ/day of food and some sort of safe housing to live in. We live in wealthy times. But a social safety net isn't going to set people up for success in any way that is meaningful to most people.

Re:I’m not saving ninety percent of my income for myself by crankylinuxuser on Saturday June 08, 2019 @12:19PM (#20133228)
> I think there is a good argument for making sure everyone has few-questions-asked access to ~9,000 kJ/day of food and some sort of safe housing to live in. We live in wealthy times. But a social safety net isn't going to set people up for success in any way that is meaningful to most people.

I find that a very sad view. Many people I know can't start a business or do risky things because of food, shelter, medical insurance/premiums. I know I'd jump if I knew that if/when I failed, I wouldn't be destitute.

Right now, doing such is primarily relegated to inheritance, familial money, or miraculously winning it 'big' (Horatio Alger stories). They have the cushion. They can fall back to safety within family money. They have connections.

We don't have any of those things going for us. But then again, people also think we're just too lazy or unmeaningful. No, we just know what's being risked, and we can't make that choice with the threat of destitution.

The bottom goes pretty deep in the US.

Re:I’m not saving ninety percent of my income for myself by luckylion on Saturday June 08, 2019 @12:57PM (#20133486)
> Many people I know can't start a business or do risky things because of food, shelter, medical insurance/premiums.

I believe that's a personal thing, some people would, but most wouldn't. Some people would get hyper productive if everything was taken care off, others would barely leave their flat.

> I know I'd jump if I knew that if/when I failed, I wouldn't be destitute.

You wouldn't be in Western Europe. Yet, very few people jump and take a chance. I don't think that the effect is that large, if it exists at all - don't forget that social safety nets come at a price: (very) high taxes, lots of regulation, entrepreneurship isn't looked at the same way, the systems are rather static.

Re:I’m not saving ninety percent of my income for myself by chongli on Saturday June 08, 2019 @02:53PM (#20134292)
At present 'success' in practice is basically synonymous with 'resource consumption'.

This reminded me of one of my favourite quotes from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri:

"Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill."

-- CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Ethics of Greed"