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Re:Why the Guardian is changing the language it uses to desc... by taborj on Friday June 07, 2019 @12:16PM (#20126113)
> Is gutted fish without a head alive just because its muscles are spasming?

The difference being that a gutted fish will not eventually turn into an alive fish. But the "electrically induced flickering" detected in a mother's womb will, in fact, turn into a heart, inside a "blob of cells" that will, in fact, turn into a human.

Re:Why the Guardian is changing the language it uses to desc... by Xylakant on Friday June 07, 2019 @02:31PM (#20127386)
8th week is so early the risk of loosing the embryo naturally is still very high. I know more than one couple that lost embryos at that stage - my mother in fact, multiple times. So that blob of cells is very much still in the “might turn into a human” state.
Re:Why the Guardian is changing the language it uses to desc... by taborj on Friday June 07, 2019 @04:35PM (#20128354)
My mother-in-law had this happen several times as well. But "might not turn into a human" is, in my opinion (and my mother-in-law's), insufficient reason to allow abortions for any reason, up to (and in some cases, after) the moment of birth.

You might turn out to be a murderer; you wouldn't appreciate it if we preemptively threw you in jail.

Re:Why the Guardian is changing the language it uses to desc... by me_me_me on Friday June 07, 2019 @12:27PM (#20126239)
no, it might and that is a big difference. Because it doesn't have to develop into heart.

What about case where twins are developing and one cannibalizes the other? Is that a murder now?