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Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by neilv on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:33AM (#20123210)
What I think would help is if we don't use a term like "extremism", which sounds like a term of sketchy censorship justification.

What's "extreme"? Is two men wanting to marry each other extreme? Is advocating for freedom of abortion extreme? Is criticizing the ruling national party extreme? Is saying that climate change is influenced by human actions extreme? Is exposing instances of 'bad apple' abuses of power extreme? There are a lot of people who will answer yes to all of those, in the US alone. ("Of course we believe in freedom of speech, but certainly extremism should be censored!")

I suggest not handing totalitarian censorship tools like the vague "extremism" to politicians and companies.

Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by tootahe45 on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:05AM (#20123350)
To put it in perspective:

5 months ago Alex Jones was extreme. In this last round, Eli the computer guy was considered too extreme.

Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by Angostura on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:51AM (#20123289)
Your preferred term is? Or are you suggesting that no content should be removed, because of the difficulty of defining the word?
Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by neilv on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:14AM (#20123386)
The US already has laws and other mechanisms for handling calls for violence, etc.

For problems of manipulation, I suggest the solution is not a politician or company getting to choose who gets to manipulate, but rather, becoming more resilient against manipulation.

Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by krapp on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:27AM (#20123430)
Ok, but your earlier comment was that we shouldn't even use the term "extremism," so what term would you prefer that couldn't be abused in the same way?
Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by neilv on Friday June 07, 2019 @08:30AM (#20123869)
Use existing terms and mechanisms. For example, "conspiracy to commit murder", and the mechanisms we have for dealing with that.
Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by krapp on Friday June 07, 2019 @09:06AM (#20124098)
But that's what Google is doing. "extremism" is an existing term, and their demonetization and moderation mechanisms exist as well.

If you're suggesting Google should be prevented from moderating content that doesn't meet a strict definition of legal harm... fair enough, but there's nothing stopping laws from being passed which would justify Google's policies.

Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by CompanionCuuube on Friday June 07, 2019 @04:06PM (#20128106)
Remember the context of the discussion, which was the objection to the vagueness of the term.

Would it be okay to substitute "Five 9s of uptime" in an SLA with "solid uptime" and call it good?

Re:People who document violent extremism are being shut down... by mschuster91 on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:51AM (#20123288)
> What I think would help is if we don't use a term like "extremism", which sounds like a term of sketchy censorship justification.

Well, advocating for genocide on Muslims, spreading deadly propaganda such as antivaxx or "great replacement" or such certainly qualifies as "extremism".