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Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by Slippery_John on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:07PM (#20109652)
I can think of several scenarios:

* I lost the phone hiking somewhere with no signal

* I lost the phone / it was stolen while in airplane mode

* I lost the phone while traveling abroad without any local service

This finding service will work for wifi-only ipads, wifi-only apple watches, and macbooks in addition to the likely tracking tokens.

Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by Fnoord on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:10PM (#20109664)
Stolen while in airplane mode, and you're going to rely on BLE? A "good" thief would learn that he'd need to carry around a Faraday cage (read: some tinfoil) to block the signals. The only disadvantage is that the act of putting tinfoil around an iPhone then becomes suspicious.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by ars on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @09:22PM (#20110728)
> (read: some tinfoil)

Try it. Wrap your phone in tinfoil then call it. It will still ring.

It's harder than it looks to make a Faraday cage.

Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by marcinzm on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:29PM (#20109786)
They'd just have a tinfoil lined bag. No suspicion. I bet you can buy one one Amazon for next to nothing as it is.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by alexkavon on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:34PM (#20109814)
Someone could wrap a phone in tinfoil pretty quickly or have one ready-made in the shape of a pouch. Or start carrying a special pouch that stops signals.[0]

Either way once you remove the phone from sight, the suspicion is probably over. The only next step is to kill the signal.

[0] https://www.overyondr.com/howitworks

Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by V99 on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:39PM (#20109845)
Yondr pouches don't actually block RF, they just physically prevent you from using the phone because it's in a sack held closed with a magnetic lock.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by matt-attack on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @10:22PM (#20111013)
Seems undesirable if it doesn't automatically silence the phone by disabling incoming calls. If they still ring while in a sealed back, then I don't see the "artists" they're marketing yondor to, being very happy.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by oarsinsync on Thursday June 06, 2019 @07:21AM (#20113407)
If I'm someone who works in actual life and death related matters and on a regular on-call schedule, I need to be able to

1) Still continue to have a life

2) Not have my phone completely disabled just because I went to see a comedy gig.

Having to leave the comedy gig when my phone starts vibrating in the bag is a good compromise, as is wearing a smart watch that can notify me exactly what the call or message is about before I do.

The selling point is to reduce visual / audible recordings of the performance, allowing artists to say or do things that may be problematic when taken out of context.

Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by serf on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @10:38PM (#20111115)
Yondr doesn't want to be entirely responsible for the repercussions of disabling your phone, they just don't want you answering it inside the venue.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by eridius on Thursday June 06, 2019 @02:09AM (#20112019)
They remind you to disable the ringer before putting it in the bag.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices? by alexkavon on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @07:36PM (#20110168)
Ah good to know. I assumed they were lined with lead and/or tinfoil