Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices?
by Fnoord on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:10PM
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Stolen while in airplane mode, and you're going to rely on BLE? A "good" thief would learn that he'd need to carry around a Faraday cage (read: some tinfoil) to block the signals. The only disadvantage is that the act of putting tinfoil around an iPhone then becomes suspicious.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices?
by ars on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @09:22PM
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> (read: some tinfoil)
Try it. Wrap your phone in tinfoil then call it. It will still ring.
It's harder than it looks to make a Faraday cage.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices?
by marcinzm on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:29PM
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They'd just have a tinfoil lined bag. No suspicion. I bet you can buy one one Amazon for next to nothing as it is.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices?
by alexkavon on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:34PM
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Someone could wrap a phone in tinfoil pretty quickly or have one ready-made in the shape of a pouch. Or start carrying a special pouch that stops signals.[0]
Either way once you remove the phone from sight, the suspicion is probably over. The only next step is to kill the signal.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices?
by V99 on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @06:39PM
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Yondr pouches don't actually block RF, they just physically prevent you from using the phone because it's in a sack held closed with a magnetic lock.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices?
by matt-attack on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @10:22PM
(#20111013)
Seems undesirable if it doesn't automatically silence the phone by disabling incoming calls. If they still ring while in a sealed back, then I don't see the "artists" they're marketing yondor to, being very happy.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices?
by oarsinsync on Thursday June 06, 2019 @07:21AM
(#20113407)
If I'm someone who works in actual life and death related matters and on a regular on-call schedule, I need to be able to
1) Still continue to have a life
2) Not have my phone completely disabled just because I went to see a comedy gig.
Having to leave the comedy gig when my phone starts vibrating in the bag is a good compromise, as is wearing a smart watch that can notify me exactly what the call or message is about before I do.
The selling point is to reduce visual / audible recordings of the performance, allowing artists to say or do things that may be problematic when taken out of context.
Re:How does Apple privately find offline devices?
by serf on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @10:38PM
(#20111115)
Yondr doesn't want to be entirely responsible for the repercussions of disabling your phone, they just don't want you answering it inside the venue.
* I lost the phone hiking somewhere with no signal
* I lost the phone / it was stolen while in airplane mode
* I lost the phone while traveling abroad without any local service
This finding service will work for wifi-only ipads, wifi-only apple watches, and macbooks in addition to the likely tracking tokens.