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Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by prions on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @01:48PM (#20107118)
I went back for my masters in CS after being a civil engineer for two years and learning cs my free time.

These articles panning formal education don't fully grasp how difficult it is to get your foot in the door as a non-cs person whose also working full time.

I also wanted to do something more technical than just web dev, which most career changers seem to land up in. Being a grad student opened a lot of doors into more technical roles in companies that are _only_ reserved for grad students.

Grad school is expensive, but I went in with a solid plan. I mitigated some of this by going to an in-state school with a good CS program and commuting to class. I was very focused in my course choices and was a 4.0 student, which unlocked even more opportunities.

I was able to land two good internships (one in embedded development and one in machine learning) and used that experience to springboard into a high paying role in NYC. I have no problems living alone in the city, paying my loans, and still saving a significant amount of money per paycheck.

This is completely anecdotal but what I'm arguing is that grad school can be a good idea if you have a solid plan of how to get the most out of your education. The people I see who haven't gotten their money's worth came into school and just drifted through while assuming that opportunities would come to them just by virtue of being a grad student.

Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by overkill28 on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @03:28PM (#20108233)
From the article:

> Master’s degrees in fields like computer engineering, education, English, history and math seem to have fewer outlier programs and lower borrowing amounts over all. It’s the less mainstream programs, where vague promises of a lucrative career are easier to make, that seem to encourage irrationally large debt.

Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by geodel on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @01:57PM (#20107238)
Well it is not news that it would work out fine for 1% motivated/extraordinary/well-off people. It's the rest who need more caution and be realistic about their prospects.
Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by iscrewyou on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @03:45PM (#20108381)
I’m a CE too and almost done with my PE. I want to stay engaged with learning after I’m done. And CS is definitely something I want to do afterwards but don’t really want to pursue a Master’s or any schooling. Can you recommend any CS books you loved? Anything iOS related would be great but I’ll take any recommendations from a fellow CE.
Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by prions on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @05:51PM (#20109539)
One of my favorites when I was a CE and looking for interesting usecases for my job was Automate the Boring Stuff with Python. I was able to automate and speed up lot of slow, manual processes like signing and stamping shop drawings.
Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by iscrewyou on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @10:07PM (#20110932)
Ok thanks! I’ll get the book and go through it. Funnily enough, the only CS course I took in college was Python. I am familiar with the language but I’ve only made very simple scripts that are barely 20 lines of code. Looks like it’s a good road to go down to get better at things.
Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by murphy214 on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @09:02PM (#20110624)
CE here with only FE (only 25) I taught myself programming in my free time as I work for a state DOT with a decent amount of free time. One of the cool things about CS (specifically data engineering/science) is it sort of is / will be permeating every technical field so you can sort of combine the two.

If your asking about the order I learned things I got pretty good with python for 2 years, tinkered with web stuff intermittently, then started programming in go and that is easily my favorite. I always always focused on geospatial programming which is at least tangentially related to CE.

The cool thing is you can start to see problems and build stuff to fix it in your free time, for example, this is something I built that gives mile points out in the field locally (no service needed), when normally a $800+ DMI is used to the same thing at a much hackier level.

TL:DR; Depending on what your wanting, I don't think you need to go to school to get competent at CS (although I'm sure I lack some fundamentals), just sort of hack on problems that interest you. Also I have had job offers for software / data engineering positions so I am employable in the field as well I guess.

Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by iscrewyou on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @10:11PM (#20110945)
That’s the plan. I don’t plan to get a degree in CS. The most I’d be willing to do is attend a boot camp and that’s a big IF.

Like I mentioned in the comment to the other commenter, the only CS course I took in college was Python. I’m very familiar with it but haven’t used it too much. I am not wanting to change careers because I also have a similar job like yours. I have plenty of time to learn and I just want to stay productive.

Anyways, thanks for the info. Really. And good luck on your PE if and when you take it. It’s not hard. It’s just a lot.

Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by roymurdock on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @02:35PM (#20107717)
What kind of role are you in now? I'm curious as I work with a lot of embedded devs but see that most of the salary money is flowing towards AI (very unclear what many of these roles actually are) and its less sexy but more concrete counterpart of cloud devops
Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by prions on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @03:27PM (#20108219)
The embedded work was just for an internship at Nokia/Bell Labs. I work at the place where I did my second internship; started doing ML engineering then pivoted to more data engineering work.

You're right about embedded though. Most telecom hardware is a race to the bottom and there were a lot of layoffs at Nokia when I was there.

Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by roymurdock on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @03:45PM (#20108374)
Yea thanks for the reply. Glad everything worked out for you, sounds like you had a solid plan from the get go and executed well
Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by prions on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @03:53PM (#20108454)
Thanks! It was risky quitting to go to school full time but having professional work experience helped a lot to manage myself.
Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by roymurdock on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @05:59PM (#20109596)
I'm actually considering doing something similar...would love to have a quick chat if you have time, my email is [email protected] - thanks.
Re:Biggest Offender in Outsize Debt: Master’s Degrees by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday June 05, 2019 @04:06PM (#20108565)
If you have strong computer science fundamentals, you are not limited to just web development. You might start there, but it certainly isn't the be-all and end-all.