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Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by jerf on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @07:21PM (#2010542)
Ah, yes, the classic "Deep down inside, everybody really thinks just like me" essay.

I do not think everybody in America thinks just like an "architecture critic". In fact I suspect most people in America, if introduced to an "architecture critic" would say "And what's that?"

If people were really upset about this, it wouldn't be happening. Alas, deep down inside, "everybody" pretty much likes what's happening.

Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by nostromo on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @07:46PM (#2010619)
I actually think the 15 years since this article was written have proven the author's point quite well.

* The exurbs have fallen drastically in price compared to urban dwellings which retained most of their value in the recession. Urban dwellings in the US's biggest cities have increased dramatically in price since the article was written, even including the recent drops.

* An urban renaissance has occurred in the US, with young people and investment again flowing to city centers. (Compare NY 1996 with NY 2010 - the progress is amazing.) The culture has followed. Most sitcoms (and many movies) of the 80s occurred in the suburbs, now they are almost entirely urban.

* Many cities started promoting more-dense zoning and mass transit, helped along by mid-decade energy spikes. Some cities have stopped providing water rights to new areas to combat sprawl.

* McMansions (not even a widely used term in 1996) have gone from must-have to gauche. The Hummer, a status-symbol of the commuting class at the time, was dismantled this year after several years of terrible sales.

Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by ams6110 on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @08:25PM (#2010715)
I think you are giving examples of fads not long term changes. It's the "grass is greener" syndrome. People living out in the suburbs look at their long commute, the cookie-cutter culture, and think that urban life is more exciting and sensible. After a while, they look at the crowds, the filth, the noise, their tin-can car or lack of one at all, and think that suburban space and quiet and freedom looks pretty good all of a sudden. So it's an ebb and flow.
Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by acgourley on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @09:29PM (#2010880)
While I can see individuals existing in that cycle, why would a whole society synchronize around it? You would think market forces would keep all people out of sync to level out prices.
Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by jerf on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @10:30PM (#2011008)
Actually, somewhat counter-intuitively, oscillations are very normal and natural and arise all over the place under fairly common conditions. An entire semester of differential equations and this is just about the only thing I took away from it, but in some ways it was still almost worth it.

The point I was sort of alluding to is that right now urban life has certain undeniably advantages, along with certain undeniable disadvantages. I also suspect the advantages are still going to grow for another decade or so. But looking ahead to even some perfectly straightforward applications of trends already in development across a wide variety of fields, I see a lot of technologies emerging in 2025-2030 or so that will start bringing parity back to the "sprawl", or, to invoke a buzzword that I think actually works better, "decentralization". (I think the 2010s will come to be seen as the last dying gasp of industrial-age centralization.) Our grandchildren will be aghast at the horrors of our era of driving, for instance, not merely that we killed ourselves by the thousands for it but that it took up all our concentration for the duration. A fifteen minute drive in a rented car that automatically picks you up and doesn't drop any of your net connections for the duration, well heck that's hardly an inconvenience at all. In fact, "drive" is the wrong word, it's a ride. Better delivery systems; robotics will make practical things like grocery delivery in all but the most remote of areas. All of this automated infrastructure can work on even existing battery technology, because they remove the biggest problems with batteries which is the human issues of charge time (these can use industrial strength chargers) and the downtime of a given car is much less relevant. And so on for quite a while.

So what I see is a wave that will continue to go towards the cities, but then recede back away from the cities, but actually in some sense, drag all the good things about cities with them.

And my god, the hands that will wring as that is happening. We could probably power half the shift with the mighty power of wringing hands. Which won't do a damned thing to stop it.

Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by krschultz on Thursday December 16, 2010 @10:50AM (#2012385)
Well, I think that is the natural life cycle of people going from young single college grads to married and family life. I love NYC, I like living there, I wouldn't want to raise a family there.

I'm not sure how much of NYC's growth is related to any larger trend, or if it is simply for the last 10 years crime has dropped like crazy because the police have done a great job tackling hard problems. Anytime you see crime dropping 50%+ it is going to change who wants to live there.

Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by brc on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @07:45PM (#2010616)
It's a common sentiment - the essay in which the author laments how everything is wrong, because they don't agree with it.

In one of the pg essays, he reflects (I'm paraphrasing from memory) how it might be lamentable how everyone prefers fast food and reality TV to Mozart and Fresh produce, but you can't call it wrong. I think pg calls this 'trying to say that up is circular or down is blue' Because if that's what people prefer, it's what they prefer. The job of people contributing to society is to provide what people want, not to try and herd people into your own vision.

In a democracy, there's going to be large amounts of people who live life in a different style to your own. One of the hardest things for people as they get older is to learn to accept this and let them be. You don't have to make fun of them, or try to change them, just let them be, and ask that they leave you be as well. There are far too many people trying to boil the ocean these days and institute social changes where it isn't wanted or needed. People will adapt and change as their circumstances and tastes change. The market will follow them.

Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by ams6110 on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @08:28PM (#2010729)
It's my experience that its the young who think they know it all and what's best for everyone. Certainly as I've gotten older my philosophy on what's appropriate for government/society to regulate and what should be individual choice has changed a lot (I am quite a bit more on the individual choice end of the spectrum now).
Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by Retric on Thursday December 16, 2010 @08:31AM (#2011925)
I have been shifting the other way. The better I understand how large company's operate the less I trust them to act without regulation. Also, I find people are far more mailable than I once thought, for a recent example look at how public opinion of wiki-leaks changed over a few weeks.
Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by mech4bg on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @07:25PM (#2010558)
Haha exactly what I thought when I read this.

Also with lines like this:

>We hear this unhappiness expressed in phrases like "no sense of place" and "the loss of community."

People are ALWAYS complaining about something, and usually talking about how much better something or other was (while quietly forgetting/ignoring all the problems with the previous state).

Personally I think it's a pretty rad time to be alive. Something for everyone.

Re:"Americans sense that something is wrong with the places ... by mech4bg on Wednesday December 15, 2010 @07:32PM (#2010579)
Even more interesting, this was written in 1996 by the looks of things?