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Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by lisper on Monday June 03, 2019 @02:44PM (#20086683)
That assumption is precisely the problem. We know that Assange published U.S. government secrets. We know that the U.S. government doesn't like this despite the fact that it's perfectly legal. We know that the current administration is willing to bend the rules to get what it wants. All that makes it plausible that Assange is being charged with crimes not because the U.S. government has a good-faith belief that he actually committed them, but to punish him for doing something that the U.S. government doesn't like, notwithstanding that it's legal.

For the record, I am no fan of Assange. I think he's a dick. But even dicks are entitled to equal protection under the law.

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by gamblor956 on Monday June 03, 2019 @06:01PM (#20089364)
We know that the current administration is willing to bend the rules to get what it wants.

Assange is partially responsible for the current administration taking office...If anything, they would be bending over backwards to find a way to pardon him for that favor. And also for embarrassing the previous political administration.

It turns out, it's not politics. It's that the US government believes that Assange broke the law when he tried to help Manning. If it were another set of laws, they might have turned a blind eye. But trying to decrypt classified information, and furthermore, publishing classified information that put US field personnel at risk...that's not something they'll ever let slide, because it sets a precedent that there's no punishment for stealing classified US intelligence.

Contrast that to WaPo and other newspapers which faced no punishment for publishing classified documents...because they didn't come by those documents illegally.

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by threeseed on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:24PM (#20087246)
Still confused how Assange is being treated differently to anyone else in his situation.
Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by lisper on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:09PM (#20087984)
I didn't say he was. People who expose government secrets often get railroaded as a result. That doesn't make it right.

[UPDATE] I'd like to expand on my earlier answer. It depends on what you consider to be "his situation" because Assange is in two separate situations: he's an accused rapist, and he is a publisher of sensitive government secrets. The problem is not that he's being treated any differently from any other accused rapist or from any other publisher of sensitive government secrets. The problem is the possibility that he is in the first situation because he is in the second situation.

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by gamblor956 on Monday June 03, 2019 @06:07PM (#20089424)
No, he's an "accused rapist" because two separate women accused him of various forms of rape under Sweden's domestic rape laws.

Quite ironically, Assange is being railroaded because he tried to avoid the rape charges, which led to his self-imposed Ecuadorian imprisonment, his current British imprisonment, and his future US and/or Swedish imprisonment. If he hadn't tried to flee, it's possible the Swedish charges would have been dropped after perfunctory investigation. The British would never have needed to jail him. The previous US administration would likely have filed minimal charges against him or sought a token punishment to serve as a deterrent to others.

Plenty of others have exposed government secrets. Many of them won Pulitizers for their efforts...

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by A2017U1 on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @06:04AM (#20093531)
> Many of them won Pulitizers for their efforts...

Like Snowden exposing basically the biggest conspiracy of government employees breaking federal laws ever seen?

Journalists win Pulitzers, whistleblowers get their lives ruined for exposing criminal activity. This is a common theme the world over.

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by colechristensen on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:31PM (#20088325)
Your original post was about "equal protection", bending rules, and punishment for things which are legal.

So far you have failed to name any actions you see as inappropriate.

What rules are being bent? Which actions violate due process or equal protection? Can you name any specific issues?

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by colechristensen on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:11PM (#20087054)
I chose my words carefully and said "guilty" not as in "guilty of doing the things we all know he did" but "guilty of the crimes he has been/will be indicted of".

Assuming he is guilty of various crimes, how should he have been and be treated?

Or in other words what is wrong with the "due process" w.r.t. Assange?

Or is it simply that "he's not guilty" but will get convicted by an unfair justice system therefore the only just action is to leave him be?

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by lisper on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:37PM (#20087483)
> I chose my words carefully

I understand. I chose my words very carefully too when I said, "That assumption is precisely the problem."

The reason we have due process is not because society gets off on legal rituals, it's because a person can in fact be innocent despite the existence of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. As soon as you say, "Let's assume guilt," you've tossed due process out the window. "Innocent until proven guilty" is not just a catchy slogan. It's the bedrock of due process of law.

The answer to your question, "How is he being treated differently than what you would expect this hypothetical person should be treated?" is precisely that: you are hypothesizing his guilt before it has been proven. That is how he is being treated differently than I would hope and expect.

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by colechristensen on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:07PM (#20087946)
>hypothesizing his guilt before it has been proven

>That is how he is being treated differently than I would hope and expect.

You have problems with the assumption of guilt? Ok (setting aside how you know what people think), what actions are being taken as a result which are inappropriate?

If you have problems with due process it can't just be with what people assume, it has to be with their decisions and actions?

Put aside their assumptions and talk about actions. What is being done that violates due process?

Assume everyone executing the process is an angel at heart, what actions are wrong and why?

It has so far eluded me to get someone who thinks Assange is innocent to explain how he is being mistreated.

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by effie on Monday June 03, 2019 @08:50PM (#20090680)
I don't claim he is innocent but the argument is well known: he is a journalist who had no obligations to the U.S. government regarding what they want to maintain a secret, so going after him for exposing some information is mistreating him and by implication an attack on independent journalism. U.S. government had a breach of security and ethics, but instead of quietly fixing that they target journalists.
Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by colechristensen on Monday June 03, 2019 @09:26PM (#20090871)
You think that he is innocent and/or was outside US jurisdiction to the extent that indicting him and the following due process is immoral?
Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by effie on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @04:15PM (#20098790)
I don't know that. If there is a reason to believe he commited a crime that harmed the U.S.A., then the U.S. government going after him for that crime is to be expected. But the widespread concern here is that the government is going after him so devotedly not solely because of that harm, but because they seek to gain back face and intimidate other journalists. There are other possible ulterior motives. I don't have enough information to decide one way or another, but given what we know, the concern is reasonable.
Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by amanaplanacanal on Tuesday June 04, 2019 @02:06PM (#20097618)
I thought he was charged with computer crimes, not publishing crimes.
Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by colechristensen on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:46PM (#20087614)
You are missing the point. I am trying to set aside determination of guilt and talk about due process, which it seems is very hard to do.

Let's assume we are uninterested in Assange's guilt and only interested in due process.

How is he being treated unfairly w.r.t. due process? (either illegally or if the laws are unjust, immorally)

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by lisper on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:17PM (#20088094)
The problem in Assange's case is that it is very hard to separate the charges being brought against him from the fact that he did something that is almost certainly legal but which the U.S. government would like very much to punish him for. The fact of the matter is that you can make someone's life miserable by bringing trumped-up charges against them, and this is especially easy to do if you're a powerful person. And if you're powerful enough then you can most likely do this with impunity. The possibility that this is happening to Assange needs to be taken very seriously.

So no, there is no overt indication that Assange is being treated any differently from any other accused rapist. But anyone who is content to leave it at that has blinders on.

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by Retra on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:29PM (#20088279)
Perhaps if somone named names and provided evidence of misconduct, they could take those blinders off under a pretense of actually seeing something?
Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by colechristensen on Monday June 03, 2019 @04:34PM (#20088371)
I keep asking and you keep failing to answer

How is he being mistreated specifically.

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by lisper on Monday June 03, 2019 @07:49PM (#20090272)
I don't know that he is being mistreated. I am saying that the possibility that he is being railroaded needs to be taken seriously [1]. That's all.

And yes, I'm aware that his actions helped the current administration, and it therefore doesn't make sense that they would railroad him. But this would not be the first time that this administration threw a former ally under the bus.

[1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/charging-julia...

Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by linuxftw on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:34PM (#20087416)
A fair justice system does not convict all those who are guilty. It ensures that the innocent are not convicted.
Re:A Swedish judge has rejected a request to detain Julian A... by dragonwriter on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:39PM (#20087512)
> A fair justice system does not convict all those who are guilty. It ensures that the innocent are not convicted.

A fair justice system does both. But fairness is unattainable, so one has to decide which failures are more desirable—the preference you suggest is both common and one I agree with, but it is not fairness but instead a preference for dealing with fairness being impractical.