Re:US demands social media details from visa applicants
by ummwhat on Monday June 03, 2019 @12:04AM
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I'm not sure what the underlying legal theory is in defining terrorist groups, but maybe ex post facto applies here. If the defining of the group as terrorist is done by passing of a law then this is pretty open and shut. If it's done by executive order then I'm not sure. It might go to the supreme court.
Re:US demands social media details from visa applicants
by caseysoftware on Sunday June 02, 2019 @10:50PM
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That one seems pretty simple.
If you played for a team, you were a member of that team.
If 10 years after you leave, that team goes on to win the championship, you are not and were never part of a "championship team."
Re:US demands social media details from visa applicants
by rdl on Monday June 03, 2019 @03:19AM
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Terrorist groups don’t have formal rosters the way sports teams do. It is sort of like “former intelligence officer”. It is definitely a strong argument (strengthened by time and distance separation, degree of clear separation or renunciation, etc) but it would almost certainly cause delays and substantial extra investigation, if nothing else.
You simply get kicked out pretty much immediately if they find out you lied. It can mean also the revocation of citizenship as it is now considered obtained fraudulently. That all can be done rather "easily" since it's procedural, without a long legal battle involved.
Now all kinds of "funny" things can happen there. Say someone belongs to an organization which was created and sponsored by the CIA and was not a terrorist organization 10 years ago. A new administration comes in, and the "friendly freedom fighters" are now the "evil baby killing terrorists". What should happen then? Can the government go back and kick out all the members they might have taken in? Technically they lied and they are now a part of the terrorist organization...