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Re:Terry Pratchett warns Bill Gates about fake news (1995) by NeedMoreTea on Thursday May 30, 2019 @10:36AM (#20051573)
In attempting to dismiss the point Bill Gates gets it partly right. 'you'll only receive a piece of text through levels of direction, like a friend who says "Hey go read this"...', and says so as though it is some arbiter of quality as they would have verified first.

Not that people generally verified that much anyway, but if it comes from people we trust and like we probably don't engage natural scepticism. Not like you might if you doubted the source, or heard a wild claim on the news. The friend has become the source, and reinforced the veracity. The sharing model did that. It probably also explains the amplification effects of social.

So I suppose the meta question is did they pick a side, or was it picked by the random connections within the peer group?

Re:Terry Pratchett warns Bill Gates about fake news (1995) by agumonkey on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:12PM (#20054227)
I believe that pre internet society naturally crafted trust networks that, even far from perfect truth, were vastly superior to the scattered noise we have today. Unless we evolve a way for people to get massively interested and educated to be their own trusted filter.. (not impossible ..)
Re:Terry Pratchett warns Bill Gates about fake news (1995) by ggg2 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @12:19PM (#20052760)
not really. I migth have dozen of friends who did read, and did figure out it was BS.

But the systems optimize for positive interactions (which generates eyeballs/pageview/ad impressions). So even if a dozen friends dismissed something, correctly, that one dumb Shitposter will get the word accross and the sytem will benefit the thumbs up with a zero effort propagation (one click) versus the critic (time to sit down, write an argument, work to have that thumbsuped... or o HN: create an account years in the past, acumulates karma just so you can downvote things that are actually wrong).

the incentives are the problem (advertising) not presence of wrong content amidst good content.

Re:Terry Pratchett warns Bill Gates about fake news (1995) by WorldMaker on Thursday May 30, 2019 @01:06PM (#20053414)
Relatedly, a big problem with Twitter/FB was showing the friend dismissed content as well as the verified content, because dismissed content eyeballs is still eyeballs on content, then making it sometimes hard to tell which was which.

A friend might retweet on Twitter content they were dismissive about, but that retweet would sometimes accidentally legitimize that content by removing the dismissive context (spreading it away in readers' timelines).

Similar with FB showing you stuff friends react to or comment on; their reactions might be Anger and their comments critical, but that context also is still partly lost if you weren't looking for it, and sometimes intentionally whitewashed ("x friends reacted to this" instead of "10 friends hate this, but one kind of liked it"), in the maelstrom of the FB timeline algorithm. (Obviously the worst case on FB up until recently was how easy it was for people to whitewash paid ads by resharing them, losing the context of who paid to promote that content in the first place.)