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Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by perl4ever on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @06:21AM (#20038485)
"A fertility rate of 1.7 isn't the same as 'not reproducing' and doesn't imply 'going extinct'. You can't just extrapolate a trend at any given moment indefinitely."

Apart from that, if you speak of group A going extinct and group B not, you are implicitly defining them as separate species. I don't think that's an accurate description of the present nor a plausible description of the future.

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by krageon on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @08:36AM (#20039344)
> if you speak of group A going extinct and group B not, you are implicitly defining them as separate species

I don't see how this follows. I've definitely been in biology classes where we discussed different groups of rats in this way and we never considered them separate species just because they were different groups.

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by perl4ever on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @05:50PM (#20045935)
Well, did those groups of rats interbreed or not?
Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by krageon on Friday May 31, 2019 @03:11AM (#20058805)
That's really not relevant. Groups of rats can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, that's what makes them the same species.
Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by snowwrestler on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @07:23AM (#20038793)
Right, it’s really hard to talk about this subject without running into bigotry, accidentally or on purpose. Almost all the distinctions in the GP comment are not inherent and can (and will) change during a single human lifetime—like religiosity or whether one lives in a “developed nation.”

In the long run, all nations are developed nations, and then what will we use to draw distinctions between human beings? I’m sure folks will think of something.

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by bregma on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @09:22AM (#20039813)
The very use of the term "developed nation" surfaces a priori bigotry. It's a dogwhistle word for "becoming westernized" or "joining Christendom".

It just goes to show.

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by rayiner on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @09:30AM (#20039894)
Are you from a “developing nation?”
Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by asark on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @11:57AM (#20041708)
Is it? A big chunk of the "developing world" is (generally) Christian—pretty much all of the Americas, big chunks of Africa. The Philippines. Russia and some of the former Soviet bloc states. Meanwhile everyone agrees Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are among the "developed" states and I don't think it's fair to characterize them as Christian.

I prefer to just shorthand this as "OECD" versus "non-OECD" which manages to just about cover all the states everyone actually means when they use "Western" (including tons of countries that aren't Western at all) or "developed", though the latter's a decent enough term IMO. "Western" is especially silly, of course, for a bunch of reasons, including that pretty much all the "original" Western states were themselves at some point "Westernized"—rolled over by Generic European-ish Capitalist "Culture", erasing most of what was there before, and absorbing and exporting those elements that could be sold to others (those parts becoming "Western")

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by perl4ever on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @05:58PM (#20046004)
"Meanwhile everyone agrees Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are among the "developed" states and I don't think it's fair to characterize them as Christian."

This is just a nitpick as I agree with your overall point, but South Korea isn't agreed by everyone to be a developed country. In fact, they are right on the cusp as evidenced by the fact that some investment funds consider them developing and some consider them developed.

I almost think there should be a classification for the US, Japan, and the UK, and another for "everyone else". If you look at the number of medium to smallish companies that have access to public stock markets, there is a huge difference between those three countries and everywhere else. Something is fundamentally different about their economies. And I've never read where someone declares this a mystery worthy of investigation and tries to explain it.

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by antepodius on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @08:33AM (#20039312)
You don't really need to look. Culture, race, will do fine.