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Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by sametmax on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:20PM (#20032839)
If they don't use Linux, I wonder how long it will take them to have something productive for the average worker.

I mean, Android took a decade to be usable, was built by one of the most talented and rich company on earth. Yet it is still limited in what it allows you to do: no office suite, limited driver support, weak multi-monitor, can use few FS formats, no RAID, etc. And that is despite Android actually wrapping a Linux Kernel.

Not to mentions they'll need to get so many basic tools ported.

No matter the high competence of the Chinese tech scene, their ability to brutally push an agenda and the number they can throw at it, I can't imagine a scenario where those resources wouldn't be better spent validating and customizing an existing distro.

However, I can imagine many reasons they would choose the harder road. And as a geek, I find it sane to remind myself that technical efficiency is not the goal of all entities.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by kazinator on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:14PM (#20033351)
Android took a couple of years to be usable, then the rest of the decade to be come unusable.

I have one phone from 2012. Wow ... so easy to do everything.

- no swipe first to unlock the screen: directly to pattern

- input method switching easy and convenient

- settings buried less deeply

- ...

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by duxup on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:43PM (#20033053)
It has to be some form of linux.

For all the reasons you said, it would take so long to get something usable, let alone security....

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by PatrolX on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:52PM (#20033142)
Chinabuntu, coming soon.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by blacksmith_tb on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:58PM (#20033190)
No need, we've already got Kylin[1].

1: http://www.ubuntukylin.com/index.php?lang=en

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by duxup on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:00PM (#20033211)
Makes sense. There had to be something that already has a head start, even if not for the given purpose, good place to begin.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by PatrolX on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:06PM (#20033257)
I've been testing the latest desktop editions all week so it would be rude of me not to try this one. Downloading.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by blacksmith_tb on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:36PM (#20033533)
There's also Deepin[1] which is mainly developed in China, though it has pretty good internationalization.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepin

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by logfromblammo on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:43PM (#20033604)
Q: Whatever happened to Red Flag Linux?

A: It shut down in 2014, after China refused to pay 40 million yuan to keep it going.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by kazinator on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:52PM (#20033698)
No office suite: https://products.office.com/en-us/mobile/office-mobile-apps-...

Limited driver support? Android devices are typically highly integrated: they use custom SoC's (that you've never heard of) with drivers developed specifically for those SoC's and their blocks.

(Oh, your amazingly rare phone has a PCI slot, and your graphics card is not supported, bummer!)

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by panpanna on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @03:08AM (#20037516)
Surprisingly, Hisilicon (Huaweis chip company) tries to use as many standard components as possible.

Getting a hisilicon soc up and running is a joy compared to working on a qcom or Samsung soc. Upstream Linux often works out of the box.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by officeplant on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @12:00PM (#20041763)
Do you know of any SBC's running Hisilicon SOCs? I need more ARM variants to pile on my SBC tinkering hobby.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by panpanna on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @03:32PM (#20044374)
Check out 96boards
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by Bakary on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:35PM (#20032976)
I wonder what happened with Ubuntu Kylin. It seems they were on that path already.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by PatrolX on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:11PM (#20033310)
Huawei happened.

Downloading from: https://mirrors.huaweicloud.com/

Download cancelled.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by jiveturkey on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:05PM (#20033251)
> If they don't use Linux, I wonder how long it will take them to have something productive for the average worker.

If the do use Linux, I wonder that.

Not being snarky. Linux is unusable for "the average worker".

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by nicoburns on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:11PM (#20033322)
I think this is just a matter of familiarity. I've seen highly non-technical users find linux as easy if not easier than windows.

The problems are mainly unsupported hardware and lack of software support. But if you stick with open alternatives then you can do just fine.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by PatrolX on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:49PM (#20033665)
I often test the latest Linux distros on crappy old hardware (and new hardware) just to see how compatible they are.

I recently tested Kubuntu 19.04 on a 20 year old desktop, it works perfectly and even had third-party drivers for the video card.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by lolc on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @04:42PM (#20034173)
I find this hard to believe because a desktop of 1999 would only have around 256 MiB of RAM.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by officeplant on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @12:07PM (#20041895)
My friends dual Pentium Pro system is capped out at 2GB of ram. Many older machines got maxed out ram wise if you bothered to upgrade them at all when previous gen ram goes super cheap.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:03PM (#20036526)
My experience has been that Linux works better on old hardware than new hardware.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by officeplant on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @12:05PM (#20041848)
If I can teach my aging mother(57) to use standard ubuntu 18.04 as her first computer ever then anyone can learn linux. Everything she needs is clearly presented in the bar of application icons and the ancient scanner/printer someone gave her works perfectly. Bonus points for when I go visit and there is a handful of .exe's hacked facebook friends convinced her to download sitting uselessly in the download folder.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by sametmax on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @05:29PM (#20034604)
My 60 year old mother have been using Ubuntu every day for the last decade.

It's just a matter of familiarity. She just want to check her mail et watch videos, after all.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by jiveturkey on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @12:19PM (#20042074)
"the average worker" doesn't just want to check their mail and watch videos. they want to use MS OFFICE suite, never see a terminal, backup/restore with ease, ask someone who isn't an IT pro how to fix something, also get support from their IT department, use the vast amount of legacy/proprietary enterprise software that their workflow is rooted around.

Not to pick on you, but why when the question of Linux as a Windows substitute comes up, do people always have to offer anecdotes about their mother. I'm no SJW or radical feminist, but honestly, let's move on from that.

My comment is about "the average worker", not friends and family / personal use. For which, in my highly uber technical group of friends and family, (where mothers are C++ programmers), maybe 1 out of 20 (generously) find a Linux desktop usable.

Only in this forum, where people recognize the horrid low contrast, gratuitous whitespace, excessive bloat of the latest javascript "framework", know the difference between modeless and modal dialogs, understand why the gmail UI keeps moving in the wrong direction -- only in this forum, where UX is understood as a real "science" that needs attention, will people actually also claim that the Linux desktop is usable. It boggles the mind.

Sorry to go off on a rant, forgive me.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by diveanon on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @12:52PM (#20042499)
The average worker uses the tools their company provides them and just collects a paycheck.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by diveanon on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @03:32AM (#20037608)
I installed ubuntu on the laptop of a 70 year old hostel owner in Cambodia.

It took her an afternoon with me to figure it out.

Stop spreading this nonsense.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by faissaloo on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @05:48PM (#20034756)
I installed Linux for my 40 year old mother and she can use it fine.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by deehouie on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:44PM (#20036676)
You'd be amazed how much more technical competent average Chinese are compared with Americans
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by blibble on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:56PM (#20036725)
that would seem to be unlikely given 40% of Chinese are subsidence farmers?
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:34PM (#20032968)
> no office suite

I'm nitpicking, I know, but do Google Docs/Sheets/Slides count? They're clearly inferior to MS Office, but they do exist.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by sametmax on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:42PM (#20033043)
If they want to avoid a US OS, they probably want to avoid a US service too.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by chrischen on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:05PM (#20033250)
That and they’ve already blocked most Google services.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by ksaj on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:27PM (#20036614)
Don't forget Red Star Linux is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS

If North Korea can pull that off, you can be sure China is well on the way. I would be quite amazed if that wasn't in the works all along already.

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by xbmcuser on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:23PM (#20036594)
Ubuntu with wine now days works with 90%+ of legacy apps. And with Valve putting it's muscle behind it many older games are running well as well now. So I don't think Chinese goverment would have much of a problem moving off windows
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by panpanna on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @03:02AM (#20037487)
There is already a Chinese version of Ubuntu. It allows they to use what everyone else are using which has certain benefits.

I think Ubuntu founder is still barred from entering US so he probably doesn't care...

Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by neves on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:44PM (#20033063)
These are features for a desktop computer, not for a mobile phone. That's why they were not priorized/implemented.
Re:Chinese military to replace Windows OS amid fears of US h... by gscott on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @11:53PM (#20036712)
They will probably use the Windows NT codebase that was leaked...