I have been teaching people how to save money and time, and I've yet to meet anyone to change my mind on this.

You either accept that people choose to live outside their means, or people have no control over their bodies and therefore should not be punished for crimes.

I don't expect people to share ideas about this topic, it's silly too. Most of us want to help people, but many hn voters would rather by publically empathetic than discuss.