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Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by Valgrim on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @12:06PM (#20031462)
Long term, large scale containment of radioactive waste is an unsolved problem. Nuclear advocates have two answers to this problem:

A) We'll solve it later (we should research fuel reprocessing, we have an urgency to act, etc.)

B) It's not really a problem (people don't actually die from radioactive waste, most nuclear plants have proven themselves safely managed, etc.)

Both answer sound like sweeping the dust under the rug. What happens when (not if) a catastrophe occurs? If a war breaks out, how can you guarantee the safety of all nuclear power plants around the world? If a country economy collapses, how will nuclear engineers get paid? If an epidemic of a deadly disease spreads worldwide, how many people can die before there is not enough people to safely operate a nuclear plant?

We cannot sweep this under the rug. Nuclear energy may be theorically cheap to implement, but the potential cost of an uncontrollable failure is too great.

Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by umvi on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @12:20PM (#20031583)
A modern thorium/uranium recycling pipeline should only produce small amounts of "final" waste (and only after waste has been iteratively recycled many times). That final waste takes a few hundred years to decay, but if contained, it is harmless to the environment. So, create a warehouse large enough to handle 200 years worth of waste, and create a pipeline. At the end of the pipeline, the containers are empty and can be used at the start again. Who knows, we may even be able to figure out a way to extract even more energy from the "final" waste eventually.

Consider that the final nuclear waste passively disappears after a few hundred years, whereas carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does not passively disappear in a few hundred years - it must be actively removed by plants, but the plants can't keep up with humans.

Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by benj111 on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @12:48PM (#20031892)
"create a warehouse large enough to handle 200 years worth of waste"

200 years ago the world was a very different place. I'm struggling to think of any building not including houses still used for their original purpose, from that long ago.

So while I don't doubt that we could build a structure that lasts 200 years, I doubt we could build some kind of continuously used industrial building without it becoming some kind of ship of Theseus. Now that in itself isn't necessarily a problem, except what about a war or something. Unlikely? Yes, but how many countries havent had any war on their soil in the past 200 years?

And I cant imagine a 2219 health and safety person green lighting the reuse of a 200 year old containment vessel for storing nuclear waste either.

Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by NeedMoreTea on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @01:16PM (#20032147)
Westminster Hall has been single purpose for a while. Since the late 11th century.

Perhaps that's the answer. If waste is stored in a warehouse next to the seat of government, I doubt there will be short-cuts, neglect and cost savings to the same degree as say putting it on the Cumbrian coast.

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/building/pal...

Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by benj111 on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @01:21PM (#20032191)
You know Westminster palace is in dire need of repair and debating in the house of commons had to stop due to water flooding in through the roof recently?

So yes there probably would be 'cost savings'

Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by tialaramex on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:48PM (#20033103)
Although Westminster Hall is on the estate and is part of the palace in terms of tours and so on, it isn't the part they want to refurbish.

It's too vast to be useful for much, but it does illustrate that the columns and so on in most buildings you do use are not actually obligatory (it doesn't have any). It's a bit like those huge buildings for building space rockets and jet liners, except built hundreds of years before the people who invented those were even born.

Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by NeedMoreTea on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @01:23PM (#20032213)
Fair point. :)

Though I thought it was just the palace, ie the Victorian bit put up after the fire (I'm not helping my case here, am I?), that was falling apart.

Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by joycian on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @01:09PM (#20032078)
Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by benj111 on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @01:50PM (#20032563)
Yes, and I suppose many churches in general.

In the UK theres still some covered market square buildings that still hold markets also.

http://www.endeavourcottage.co.uk/whitby-blog/whitby-marketp...

Re:Steep decline in nuclear power would threaten energy secu... by ageofwant on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @12:18PM (#20031574)
What if technicolor monkeys start flying out of my arse ? Whataboutism aside, today, right now, thousands of coal fired power plants are polluting the air I breathe with more radioactive waste, particulates and CO2, to a degree not seen in the last 800k years. Your catastrophe is real and happening right now, in real time, today, this minute.