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Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @08:19AM (#20029301)
> why write it just about Google when it is an issue affecting the workforce across industries?

There is already a general discussion around employees vs. contractors in the American economy. Showing a large, profitable technology company doing the same bolsters the case that this is a systemic problem.

Also, the article mentions that “high-tech companies have long promoted the idea that they are egalitarian, idyllic workplaces. And Google, perhaps more than any other, has represented that image, with a reputation for enviable salaries and benefits and lavish perks.“

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by nradov on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @12:17PM (#20031563)
The vast majority of those contractors aren't independent contractors but rather employees of some other vendor. It seems odd to complain about contacting out some work to vendors.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by blub on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @02:16PM (#20032812)
This is old capitalist trick comrade: company hires other company, easy firings, fewer benefits, no danger of being accused of pretend-contracting like Uber.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by nradov on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:30PM (#20033478)
There's no "trick" about it. That's literally the way business has always worked since the first private companies were established.
Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by IOT_Apprentice on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @07:54PM (#20035619)
Actually no, this changed as a result of a lawsuit at MicroSoft where contractors were hired directly as contractors with no firewall firm. They worked at MS for decades with zero benefits and then sued to get them.

This forced firms to then hire third party vendors who in turn 1099ed the "workers" to work at company X, including google.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by nradov on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @08:57PM (#20035941)
I don't know why you're bringing up the Microsoft case. That was about independent contractors. The subjects of this article are mostly regular W-2 employees. They just happen to be employees of a different company.

Should we force every company to be vertically integrated and directly employ everyone who works at one of their facilities? It's just a ridiculous complaint.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by vadym909 on Friday May 31, 2019 @02:24PM (#20063606)
I agree it would be silly to expect companies to do everything themselves, but the example was of contractors (recruiter in this case) doing similar work to and under the direction and control of a full-time employee, at the Google facility, for a long time (1 year). This is where labor laws come into play and why companies restrict temps from working long term. Just putting a contractor on a 3rd party's W2 doesn't mean you're free to do as you wish.

Now, if they took the entire recruiting work for that team and gave it to the outsourcing agency who did the job from their Florida office, it wouldn't be a problem. They could also do what Apple does and host all the contractors in a separate building with no contact with Apple employees https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-11/apple-bla... but the optics of that isn't great either.

Re:Google’s Shadow Work Force: Temps Who Outnumber Full-Time... by stcredzero on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:07PM (#20033272)
Also, the article mentions that "high-tech companies have long promoted the idea that they are egalitarian, idyllic workplaces. And Google, perhaps more than any other, has represented that image, with a reputation for enviable salaries and benefits and lavish perks."

By having large numbers of contractors, Google could have their egalitarian, idyllic workplace, but have a non-egalitarian 2 tier system, with distinctly 2nd class workers.

The reality is that people don't operate in a purely communal/egalitarian fashion. Nor are people purely hierarchical. There is always some degree of hierarchy, and some degree of communal existence. The larger the group, the more hierarchy is necessary. However, even in the sort of magical feeling hippie-dippy gathering of artists, there are still community leaders. There is still some kind of functioning hierarchy, or things just don't get done. (I have some personal experience in this area.)

I think the problems in such systems come about when people are in denial about their hierarchy, their meritocracy, and the consequences of not fitting in. If people have to pretend their hierarchy doesn't exist, and everything's just running on love and understanding, then people who violate the rules and norms still need to be punished. Often the hierarchy remains disguised by characterizing violators as fundamentally bad or selfish people. By abandoning consciousness of one's rules and hierarchy, one risks nonsensical, outsized, or downright unjust consequences being meted out by the group. Basically, it's a recipe for groupthink to take over and the abandonment of principles.