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Re:‘Orientalism,’ Then and Now by coldtea on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @03:41AM (#20028046)
>As did 1453 in Constantinople. Of course that's not a European state... but that's pretty much the definition.

Well, it [Constantinople and Byzantium] certainly was a European state, the Eastern Roman Empire, which kept the lights on when as the Western one was dissolving and finding itself again after Rome declined.

Re:‘Orientalism,’ Then and Now by iguy on Tuesday May 28, 2019 @04:40AM (#20028295)
Sure, it was.

My point is that claiming something like "no European state faced an existential threat from Arabs" is a bit circular -- the definition of Europe is very close to being those parts of the Roman world which were not (permanently) conquered. (Or if you think it's a geographic term, then the reason this particular geographic lumping is important, as opposed to say Mediterranean.)