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Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by bArray on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:30PM (#19987799)
As much as I hate to see the environment getting destroyed, eco-terrorism is not the way forwards.

Every normal person is empowered to help: purchase from people whose ideals you agree with, win the hearts and minds of those around you, re-use everything you safely can.

Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by slowmovintarget on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:44PM (#19987886)
And perhaps there should be tariffs on Chinese goods to prevent them from dumping poisonous products on the market.

Some of these things like lead and cadmium in children's pencil cases made me wonder if this was intentional.

Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by acct1771 on Thursday May 23, 2019 @10:00AM (#19991849)
A lot of it certainly isn't making Chinese manufacturing management lose sleep.
Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by umvi on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @11:34PM (#19988165)
> And perhaps there should be tariffs on Chinese goods

Someone other than Trump will have to do it though, otherwise the motives are all wrong

Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by Fjolsvith on Friday May 24, 2019 @08:21PM (#20006351)
If the results are positive, the motives won't matter.
Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by internet_user on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:53PM (#19987947)
So how do you propose we deal with psychopaths that dump radioactive waste into steel that then goes into your napkin box?

Ask them nicely again?

Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @11:03PM (#19987995)
Bans. Sanctions. Diplomatic action. Force their government to crack down on them.

Terrorism is basically narcissistic. It never, ever helps anything, but it feels so good to lash out at bad people, so you convince yourself that you're a hero when all you're really doing is turning people against your cause.

Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by internet_user on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @11:11PM (#19988044)
Apparently, returning fire in an economic war is wrong. It's terrorism according to you.

Shipping radioactive waste into your house - not terrorism, according to you.

Nobody will be against punishing people for allowing willfully contaminating products and then decieving you about their safety.

Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by PhasmaFelis on Thursday May 23, 2019 @09:09AM (#19991350)
Just to be clear, we're talking about killing people, yeah? "Environmental mercenaries...who will reek havoc on those who pollute or endanger the planet," as stevespang put it. That is, literally, terrorism, even if the goal is laudable. Knowingly selling toxic, deadly products out of greed is a horrible thing, but it is literally not terrorism.

You seem to think that "terrorism" means "anything dangerous that bad guys do."

> Nobody will be against punishing people for allowing willfully contaminating products and then decieving you about their safety.

Absolutely not true. When you turn to terrorism, you lose the moral high ground in the eyes of most of the international community. It's so easy to spin that against you to discredit your entire cause; to convince people who might have been sympathetic that you're just a violent psychopath after all.

Do these bastards deserve to die? Maybe. I wouldn't shed a single tear if they were killed. That doesn't mean it's a good way to achieve your goal, if your goal is long-term change instead of short-term vengeance.

Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by internet_user on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:39PM (#19987853)
How much choice do you really have if literally all of your choices are from China?
Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by bArray on Thursday May 23, 2019 @04:18PM (#19995483)
We can bring about political change which makes these practices financially non-profitable. Simply use regulation to price them out of the market.
Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by kjar on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:55PM (#19987955)
I agree we can and should do what we can to prevent the worst outcomes and labeling direct nonviolent action as terrorism is a bit much / counterproductive
Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by bArray on Thursday May 23, 2019 @04:16PM (#19995470)
I think it's certainly borderline either way [1]. The point at which you're using relatively extreme criminal actions to scare people into considering your political agenda, you become a form of terrorist (in this case an eco-terrorist).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism

Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by anigbrowl on Thursday May 23, 2019 @01:21AM (#19988741)
How's that been working out for the last 40 years?
Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by bArray on Thursday May 23, 2019 @04:09PM (#19995415)
Do you really think that governments have been actively working on this for 40 years? Other than the occasional signalling, there's not been trade sanction or tariffs.
Re:Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Laye... by anigbrowl on Friday May 24, 2019 @03:15PM (#20004491)
The EPA was founded in 1972.