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Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by awakeasleep on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @07:35PM (#19986759)
same thing with land mines? What about an autonomous drone?

Hell, even a bottle of aspirin filled with poison tablets secretly placed on a store shelf could kill a future serial killer.

I believe your judgement mechanism is meaningless. Even the most evil stuff can be used for good, and everything is a tool.

A better metric would apply one of the standard ethical frameworks, like utilitarianism or deontological ethics. (Is this technology going to provide a net benefit? / If everyone used this technology would we live in a desirable world?)

Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by hutzlibu on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @08:00PM (#19986946)
A land mine can only be a landmine.

A hammer can build and destroy.

So it makes sense to ban mines completely, as there is no humane use case.

But for facial recognition, I do see valid use cases. So yes, I do agree with OP and rather have the bad use cases banned/regulated.

And your metric: "If everyone used this technology would we live in a desirable world?"

Totally depends on how it is used. I do see a potential world with facial recognition software and not be a dystopia. I mean, is all Sci-Fi now considered Dystopia?

How can for example robots really interact with humans without that technology?

Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by jdsully on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:59PM (#19987978)
Landmines are a non-trivial factor in South Korea's freedom. For a large portion of their existence the South had an inferior army and economy. Their current might is a more recent phenomena.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by hutzlibu on Thursday May 23, 2019 @12:22AM (#19988443)
Without doubt, landmines are a effective and cheap killing tool.

But they kill or cripple anyone. And the person placing them, usually does not remove them anymore.. so lots of one legged children in the end, as normally (rightfully!) war places see peace again. But with mines being cheap to deploy and removing them beeing very expensive they tend to stay where they are, until your childrens children walk over them as boyscouts.

And south corea had US backing as far as I know.

Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by jdsully on Thursday May 23, 2019 @12:51AM (#19988593)
At the time the landmines were placed the US was at a stalemate with North Korea (and China) - and even the stalemate was pure luck as NATO forces were close to full defeat at many points after China entered the war. US backing did not make their survival a sure thing.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by hutzlibu on Thursday May 23, 2019 @07:28AM (#19990665)
Another interpretation is, that the mines cemented that border.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by jdsully on Thursday May 23, 2019 @02:59PM (#19994794)
Yes it did. But the alternative border would have been a unified Korea with the north’s leadership in charge. Whether that is worth the trade off depends on your politics I suppose.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by hutzlibu on Thursday May 23, 2019 @04:39PM (#19995666)
Or a tight border for some years and than a reunion like in my country, germany?

(even though there were mines on that border, too, but in a limited way that there are no more traces of them today)

Anyway, I am still highly sceptical to the claim, that mines prevented a total communist korea. Debating about that is not really constructive. Do you have studies for your claim?

Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by baddox on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:42PM (#19987544)
A landline could prevent a burglar from walking on my property.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by IntelMiner on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @10:45PM (#19987892)
Or it could also kill a pizza delivery boy
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by hutzlibu on Thursday May 23, 2019 @12:31AM (#19988486)
Or yourself or the people helping you, after you had a stroke and don't remember anymore that and where your placed them.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by baddox on Thursday May 23, 2019 @12:59AM (#19988635)
Right, just like a hammer.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @07:44PM (#19986817)
I will accept your metaphor as valid if you can present to me a moral use of land mines.

I agree with you about autonomous drones. They have many moral uses. Weaponized ones, not so much.

Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by matz1 on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @07:48PM (#19986847)
That depends on your mortality. I see it morally right to use it on my enemy.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by ShroudedNight on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @08:14PM (#19987033)
How does one use them on one's enemy without also using them against the long-term population in their affected area?
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by torstenvl on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @08:54PM (#19987266)
By ensuring that they have an automatic deactivation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-landmines/u-s-halts-u...

"While retaining stockpiles, the United States has not used persistent mines for some time. The last field of persistent mines under U.S. control was in Guantanamo, Cuba, and was removed in 1999, the State Department official said."

Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by baddox on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:42PM (#19987547)
How about enforcing a DMZ?
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by matz1 on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @07:46PM (#19986838)
Yes, same thing with all of that.
Re:Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban by JohnFen on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @07:38PM (#19986781)
Or nukes?