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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by claudiulodro on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @03:39PM (#19984700)
> One potential explanation was quasi-eugenic. As in the movie “Idiocracy,” it was suggested that average intelligence is being pulled down because lower-IQ families are having more children ("dysgenic fertility" is the technical term). Alternatively, widening immigration might be bringing less-intelligent newcomers to societies with otherwise higher IQs.

> However, a 2018 study of Norway has punctured these theories by showing that IQs are dropping not just across societies but within families. In other words, the issue is not that educated Norwegians are increasingly outnumbered by lower-IQ immigrants or the children of less-educated citizens. Even children born to high-IQ parents are slipping down the IQ ladder.

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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by mattnewport on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @03:52PM (#19984795)
> Even children born to high-IQ parents are slipping down the IQ ladder.

It is expected that the children of high IQ parents have lower IQs than their parents (and that children of low IQ parents have higher IQs than their parents). That is just regression to the mean. How are they separating this from that effect?

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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by clairity on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @04:55PM (#19985388)
> "That is just regression to the mean."

that would certainly be true if IQ were independently and identically distributed (iid), but the point here is that IQ is hereditable (not independent nor uniformly distributed) and so should show, in the long run, measurable durability in those differences across lineages. it's likely not reversion to the mean (or more to the point, the mechanism is not simply statistical in nature).

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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by ctlby on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @06:00PM (#19986016)
You're confusing concepts. Regression to the mean doesn't depend on any IID assumption. Conditional expectations are right in the definition! In the bivariate normal case (height, intelligence, etc), it's a necessary consequence of a correlation coefficient < 1.
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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by thfuran on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @04:58PM (#19985416)
>It is expected that the children of high IQ parents have lower IQs than their parents

Is it? Hadn't IQs been trending upwards for the past several decades?

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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by pixl97 on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @08:28PM (#19987126)
Yes, but a lot of that was likely based on improving diets, especially during childhood.
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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by rockinghigh on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @04:46PM (#19985306)
Wouldn't parents with low IQ also have children who regress to the mean and have higher IQ?
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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by tomerico on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @06:49PM (#19986430)
They would. that is what happens with any heritable trait. It's clearly documented for example for height.
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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by SubiculumCode on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @04:04PM (#19984907)
While genetics does play a role in intelligence, culture, context, as well as experiencing adversity that alters gene expression during development, and sometimes inherited over several generations...all these have enormous impacts on intelligence that do not imply that we are losing from the population the genes required to maintain high intelligence..
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Re:IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries by bhouston on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @03:50PM (#19984779)
That suggests environmental chemical pollution or something cultural like cellphones addiction or too much Netflix or 4G radiation is dangerous. It will be interesting to see what it ends up being.
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