Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own design review

Re:Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own d... by alkonaut on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:00AM (#19980654)

I'll have no problem flying in one as soon as the relevant authorities deem it safe enough. If I don't trust relevant authorities on what is safe and what isn't - why would I trust them when they say the next plane is safe?

Also, since you can't know which flights are using which planes (usually), many carriers use thes planes interchangably with non-MAX (737-800s), and you can't use the choice of plane as a reason to get a refund on your ticket, avoiding these planes is likely expensive. You need to fly another route, pick an airline that isn't the cheapest for the leg you are flying and so on. I mean I'm as scared of crashing as the next guy but I'm not "5% more expensive trip"-scared.

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Re:Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own d... by ulfw on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:07AM (#19980724)

The same "authorities" who told you before they were safe to fly?

You have so much believe in authorities that even if proven they didn't do their job, you still trust in them with your life?

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Re:Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own d... by alkonaut on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:17AM (#19980815)

Yes, those authorities. Either I trust them and fly (ever) or I don't and you never fly. There is no middle ground here. If you fly on the A350 which is also new - you trust the FAA/EASA that they are safe to fly. If I don't trust FAA/EASA, I can never fly the new A350 either. In fact I can't fly on any plane, unless I adopt some strategy of only flying ones that have an established safety record (i.e. old planes). But even with those, I trust the authorities who ensure the training of the pilots is OK, that ATC works etc. They are the same authorities...

They might not always do their job the way I want them to, but there are no other authorities in this case to go to for a second opinion.

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Re:Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own d... by ulfw on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @09:52AM (#19981147)

Please show me how EASA has outsourced certification to the manufacturer (Airbus) itself like FAA has done with Boeing

Otherwise I have no idea how you could even remotely compare these two situations

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Re:Europe says 737 Max won't fly until it completes it own d... by alkonaut on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @03:09PM (#19984432)

I have no capability (nor much of an interest) in even beginning to judge these authorities. That's my point: I trust them blindly because if they turn out to roll dice when making regulation or approving aircraft - it's still better than me doing it.

Now, the situation is a bit special now that there are efffectively TWO competing authorities. It's not that there used to be just one, but that one used to be the authortitive one (or that they spoke with one voice). This complicates things. So OK - when there are conflicting information I might trust the cautious one. But for all practical purposes, these authorities are opaque to the average traveler. I must either trust them or stay on the ground.

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