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Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by Animats on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:18PM (#19977412)
See this article on the cash flow of Uber, Tesla, Lyft, and Snap.[1] Those guys have far worse startup cash flow than Google, Amazon, Apple, or Facebook. Far, far worse. It's hard to think of any business in financial history with that much cash burn up front.

Some of those guys are going to have a Chapter 11 bankruptcy haircut. They'll probably all survive, but the investors, not so much. Tesla has to raise a lot of money over the next few months. When the dust settles, Tesla may be a Chinese company. Tencent is the latest big investor.

[1] http://fortune.com/2019/05/20/fortune-analysis-the-tech-supe...

Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by tuna-piano on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:28PM (#19977470)
“When the dust settles, Tesla may be a Chinese company. Tencent is the latest big investor.”

This is something people don’t understand about the trade deficit. Most people think the trade deficit means that China sends the US way more stuff than the US sends to China.

That is not true. Of course China doesn’t send stuff without asking for things in return. China sends stuff and then has the right to buy pieces of American companies and future cash flows of those companies (and government entities).

The US is getting a bunch of stuff and giving away little pieces of it’s future. This is just a visible example

Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by djsweet on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @12:49AM (#19977865)
Forgive my ignorance, but how does the trade deficit in favor of China necessarily entitle China to acquire ownership of US companies? The best explanation I could think of is that China is using the liquid capital obtained by US trade to turn around and purchase ownership stakes in US companies the same way pretty much anyone within the US would, which means there’s no special arrangement outside of China having money to spend and the US being in need of investments.

If my hypothetical explanation is correct then the implicit goal of “fixing the deficit” ends up reading as ultimately somehow ensuring China has less money, and just that China has less money, when I think that the legitimate national security concerns around the trade deficit would be better addressed by some actual investment oversight.

But, again, maybe there’s something about the deficit entitling China to stakes in US companies that I’m not seeing.

Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by godzillabrennus on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:57PM (#19977625)
Then old white people voted to change that and Trumped the status quo.
Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by robocat on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @12:10AM (#19977698)
There is plenty of variation within "old white people": using blatant stereotypes is just plain offensive.

"All black people are _____" is equally unacceptable.

Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by yumraj on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:36PM (#19977515)
> When the dust settles, Tesla may be a Chinese company. Tencent is the latest big investor.

I'm sure, and hope, that the US regulators will block that from happening.

Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by kevingadd on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:51PM (#19977598)
(IANAL) How exactly would US regulators just take Tencent's stock away? Would the US government buy it from them? Is there precedent for just telling them the stock is useless paper and would that not discourage foreign investment in US companies?
Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by option_greek on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @12:05AM (#19977671)
They don't need to do anything till tencent doesn't hold majority stake in it. Any stock buyouts that will result in majority shareholdings will need regulatory approval (in many countries that is the case )
Re:Morgan Stanley Slashes Worst-Case Price for Tesla to $10 by Despegar on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:50PM (#19977589)
Tencent's equity will get wiped out as well, and I doubt they're going to invest more into it after that.

Also I'm pretty sure CFIUS will block it anyway.