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Re:I Miss Lisp by cageface on Sunday December 12, 2010 @02:03PM (#1997669)
Other languages have absorbed just about all the other key lisp ideas. Garbage collection, first-order functions, dynamic typing etc are all uncontroversial now. I don't think it's an accident that s-exprs have been conspicuously unpopular in comparison.

I actually find the Clojure syntax harder to parse. Nested mixtures of }, ], and ) are very difficult to pick apart visually.

Re:I Miss Lisp by gnosis on Sunday December 12, 2010 @02:28PM (#1997746)
"Nested mixtures of }, ], and ) are very difficult to pick apart visually."

And nested ), ), and ) are easier to pick apart visually?

At least with }, ], and ) you know any given } matches a { and not a ( or a [. Whereas with all )'s, it's a lot harder (for me) to know which ( in a mountain of ('s it's going to match.

A good editor and proper indenting will, of course, mitigate some of the pain. But I'd MUCH rather have a mix of {'s, ['s, and ('s, than all ('s.

Re:I Miss Lisp by Xurinos on Sunday December 12, 2010 @05:23PM (#1998263)
At least with }, ], and ) you know any given } matches a { and not a ( or a [. Whereas with all )'s, it's a lot harder (for me) to know which ( in a mountain of ('s it's going to match.

I have found the opposite. It's a lot easier to close with a bunch of )))s at the end of a line than to flip around with the )]}]))} line noise. I let my code's structure give me meaning. I am less concerned with matching things and more concerned with readable code arrangement. It is easier for me to read English-like words than a bunch of symbols. As a result, the ))s are almost equivalent whitespace with the exception that they provide useful and common structure.

Re:I Miss Lisp by phob on Monday December 13, 2010 @10:47AM (#2000764)
paredit.
Re:I Miss Lisp by cageface on Sunday December 12, 2010 @02:39PM (#1997787)
And nested ), ), and ) are easier to pick apart visually?

You don't have to pick them out in CL, just balance them. Much easier (IMO).

Re:I Miss Lisp by technomancy on Sunday December 12, 2010 @04:18PM (#1998051)
You don't have to pick them out or balance them in any lisp. That's what paredit is for.
Re:I Miss Lisp by officemonkey on Monday December 13, 2010 @06:31AM (#2000106)
So easy that a decent text editor can do the job.
Re:I Miss Lisp by nene on Sunday December 12, 2010 @06:33PM (#1998484)
You can't introduce s-exprs into an ordinary language - it would cease to be an ordinary language and become a Lisp dialect instead.
Re:I Miss Lisp by oconnore on Sunday December 12, 2010 @02:27PM (#1997739)
Macros.
Re:I Miss Lisp by adambyrtek on Sunday December 12, 2010 @03:51PM (#1997977)
What about them?
Re:I Miss Lisp by oconnore on Sunday December 12, 2010 @04:28PM (#1998077)
cageface missed the major reason why Lisp in general is powerful: prefix notation is really the only clean way to implement macros.

The rest is just icing on the cake.

Re:I Miss Lisp by cageface on Sunday December 12, 2010 @05:23PM (#1998266)
S-exprs == macros
Re:I Miss Lisp by oconnore on Monday December 13, 2010 @11:20AM (#2000917)
Those two things are not equivalent at all. I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

S-expressions define a class of syntax styles. By themselves, they have no semantic characteristics at all. Macro's are a way in which the compiler rewrites the syntax tree based on user programs. Do you see the difference?