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Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by baybal2 on Monday May 20, 2019 @10:42AM (#19960770)
Had a conversation recently about all that.

People ask if the industry will wrap up and move from China.

I ask them in response: where would they run away to? Vietnam?

Vietnam's entire light industry output is like of one Dongguan's district.

India has a lot of workforce, tons of it, but the entire light industry ecosystem has to be built from scratch, or brought along with you.

They can't run away.

Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by dillonmckay on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:10PM (#19961890)
Chinese entrepreneurs have been opening factories in Africa, actually.

Relevant podcast:

https://hbr.org/ideacast/2017/11/the-hardscrabble-business-o...

Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 20, 2019 @10:52AM (#19960906)
If negative pressure is sustained long enough, alternatives will be developed. How long has China held a dominant position in electronics assembly? Less than 20 years...and that would be generous.

So things can change, definitely not overnight, but in a few years.

Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by the-rc on Monday May 20, 2019 @11:54AM (#19961704)
Well, before China, it was Japan. They dominated the 80s and a good chunk of the 90s. They still have a lead in markets such as cameras and are fairly competitive for technologies like Flash, which they actually invented. Samsung passed Toshiba a decade ago or so.
Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:22PM (#19962024)
Don’t forget Taiwan and Korea.
Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by the-rc on Monday May 20, 2019 @02:54PM (#19963744)
Yeah, those have been displacing Japan along with China. I mentioned Samsung, but was mostly focusing on Japan as an example of a country whose star can and did dim, as a potential parallel for future China. It has taken longer than the few years the parent poster cited.

It's also worth noting that China still has a long way to go when you look at particular markets such as semiconductors, where export controls have slowed them down.

Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 20, 2019 @05:34PM (#19965475)
Japan was displaced by them significantly in the 90s, then China displaced everyone mid 2000-2010.
Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by zhongjiewu on Monday May 20, 2019 @10:59AM (#19961010)
I agree, if there is a region with the labor force and good policy for investment plus infra and a few other things. Vietnam is a close enough option, but other options are not abundant, so more than just a few years would be a plausible answer for me.
Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by baybal2 on Monday May 20, 2019 @11:28AM (#19961368)
China for long was a phenomenal combination of size, quality, and a price for workforce you can't find anywhere.

Eastern Europe - mass higher education check, everything else no

India - size yes, but nothing else, and there is "license raj" on top of that. One sweetener is the future domestic market appeal

Vietnam - mini-China, good primary and vocational education check, size OK, industry, some leftovers from pre-privatisation era, check - pretty much same as China was in that regard.

Pakistan... very cheap for sure, existing industry is nonexistent, (though Pakistan once had a backend FAB in late eighties!) and with Rupee hitting the bottom now, you can overlook how poor the logistics will be.

Re:Forced Tech Transfers Are on the Rise in China, European ... by walkingolof on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:14PM (#19961928)
They can’t run away, but, automation will make millions unemployed, that is almost a worse problem, none to blame !