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Re:Linux distros without systemd by PlutoIsAPlanet on Monday May 20, 2019 @10:02AM (#19960402)
Earlier versions of systemd were fairly buggy, but then it was still in its infancy and its in a much better state now.

systemd (not SystemD) changes a core part of the OS, we go from a userspace being bootstrapped by a bunch of different shell scripts calling a dozen individual binaries, to an actual system and service manager configured with unit files.

It's a large change, although one other operating systems went through a decade earlier, and some people don't like change.

Re:Linux distros without systemd by JohnFen on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:05PM (#19961827)
> and some people don't like change.

People really need to stop saying this rather than taking the time to actually understand what people are objecting to.

Re:Linux distros without systemd by sprash on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:26PM (#19962064)
I like change! I switched to runit and are not looking back.
Re:Linux distros without systemd by yarrel on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:17PM (#19961956)
By that standard SystemD proponents' fetishization of ineptly implemented change for change's sake clearly makes their position invalid.
Re:Linux distros without systemd by ripdog on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:53PM (#19962346)
Why on earth do systemd haters insist on capitalizing the D? It's really amazing how people think mistyping the name is some kind of useful or novel criticism of the software.
Re:Linux distros without systemd by silversconfused on Monday May 20, 2019 @01:54PM (#19963076)
Re:Linux distros without systemd by craigsmansion on Monday May 20, 2019 @05:32PM (#19965455)
the -d suffix is traditionally for service daemons. SystemD is not a service daemon.

Lowercase is a UNIX convention. SystemD does not have a UNIX approach.

Since SystemD is not a Unix service daemon it shouldn't be spelled "systemd" to prevent confusion.

Re:Linux distros without systemd by eropple on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:28PM (#19966899)
This is...bizarre.

Should I pejoratively call you "CRaIg" because I think you don't match up to my standards of what a Craig, or even a craig, is? Is that okay?

I don't think it's okay. Names have meaning. It is a really minor bit of respect to use them correctly.

Re:Linux distros without systemd by craigsmansion on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @03:41AM (#19968263)
I don't follow. As you state yourself, "names have meaning". By conventions the developers actively disregard, the meaning of the name "systemd" implies several things that the program is not.
Re:Linux distros without systemd by yellowapple on Monday May 20, 2019 @09:59PM (#19967044)
I think you replied to the wrong comment.
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Re:Linux distros without systemd by JdeBP on Monday May 20, 2019 @03:59PM (#19964471)
Re:Linux distros without systemd by dane-pgp on Monday May 20, 2019 @04:49PM (#19965033)
I think that giving unflattering nicknames to powerful entities is a long-standing tradition, and a valid act of protest and free expression. Of course it won't convince an opponent, and it may backfire as a rhetorical device, but I empathise with people wanting to use it.

Moreover, the term "System D" is somewhat synonymous with the term "black market", which Wikipedia defines as a: "series of transactions that has some aspect of illegality or is characterized by some form of noncompliant behavior with an institutional set of rules."

That is a surprisingly good analogy for how systemd acts on a machine, but there is another analogy to a similarly worded term: "Substance D", from the novel "A Scanner Darkly". In the novel, it is described as an addictive psychoactive drug, also known as "Slow Death". Credit for that comparison goes to this foundational criticism of systemd:

https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459