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Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by clairity on Friday May 17, 2019 @05:47PM (#19943877)
only defense, interstate commerce, international relations, and the like are national problems.

the state is the canonical unit for a problem like homelessness, and each state is free to delegate to local jurisdictions or to coordinate with other states on solutions.

by the way, san francisco has about 8000 homeless folks, and LA has ~55,000 (~40% of the 130,000 homeless in the state). if we wanted to build new housing for all of these folks, we'd need about $50B (state budget is about $200B/year). LA, for instance, spent $0.6B on homelessness last year, or about 3% of what is needed just in LA.

we either continuously pay for homelessness indirectly (and ineffectively), through police, crime, social services, drugs, non-profits, governmental programs, emergency services, etc. or actually tackle the problem directly by raising and allocating that $50B.

(obviously talking about first-order effects here. this is not an in-depth policy paper.)

Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by kelnos on Friday May 17, 2019 @06:49PM (#19944363)
Given that the federal government weasels its way into things by claiming "interstate commerce" in questionable circumstances, or threatening withholding things like federal highway funds if states don't comply, your argument doesn't hold much water with me.

Hell, the REAL ID act is technically illegal, but the feds can use the "we won't let you board a flight without one" stick to force compliance.

The federal government gets its paws into whatever it wants to. It simply doesn't care about homeless issues.

I do agree that, on its face, homelessness seems like a textbook local/state problem. However, any city/state that tries to solve the problem with money and services will be a magnet for homeless people from outside the area, which can easily overwhelm the services provided. How do you fix that?

Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by UnFleshedOne on Friday May 17, 2019 @07:42PM (#19944618)
States and cities can build a wall and introduce a visa system? I don't understand how any problem that would require effective border control to solve at a local level (because otherwise it turns into a global problem) can be considered a textbook state problem?

I'd say this is a textbook border-controlling-entity-level problem...

Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by kelnos on Monday May 20, 2019 @04:16AM (#19958392)
Not workable; freedom of movement among the states has been recognized as a constitutional right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_Unit...
Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by roguecoder on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:23PM (#19944798)
Yeah, you know, Brexit is going really great for Britain: we should definitely try dissolving the union and see if that helps.
Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by UnFleshedOne on Friday May 17, 2019 @08:29PM (#19944827)
My preference (and argument) falls closer to global planetary government than to village-state actually...
Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by clairity on Friday May 17, 2019 @07:47PM (#19944651)
> "Given that the federal government weasels its way into things [anyway]... your argument doesn't hold much water with me."

that's such a non-sequitur. so is the gist that we just accept the federal government overstepping its bounds? that's sounds so defeatist. instead, let's put even more pressure on (all of) our representatives to contain the overstepping.

> "...magnet for homeless people from outside the area, which can easily overwhelm the services provided. How do you fix that?"

that's worth keeping in mind, but there's no compelling evidence that that's going to be a problem. an optimist might posit that it's just as likely that micro-economies develop that allow the former homeless to lift others out of homelessness without further intervention. it depends on how things are implemented of course. let's take a step forward and (continually) assess.

Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by YokoZar on Friday May 17, 2019 @07:16PM (#19944488)
Would it really cost about 400 thousand dollars per homeless person? That's what 50 bil / 130,000 gets you.
Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by clairity on Friday May 17, 2019 @07:33PM (#19944573)
yes, from what i've read, it costs roughly $400K per unit ($440K is actually the number thrown about) in the metro areas of california (whether it's affordable housing or not). that apparently includes the direct building & overhead costs, land, building code compliance, regulatory costs, and the costs of legal and bureaucratic delays.
Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by Notorious_BLT on Monday May 20, 2019 @10:23AM (#19960577)
Maybe housing the homeless in the most expensive places in the country to live is a bad idea.
Re:Homeless Population Jumps by Thousands Across the San Fra... by markdown on Friday May 17, 2019 @07:12PM (#19944468)
> and each state is free to... or to coordinate with other states on solutions.

This can't be solved without coordination, ie. federal government.