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Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by SpicyLemonZest on Thursday May 16, 2019 @07:07PM (#19934377)
I can’t speak for the original commenter, but lots of people did not wait to object to this.

What’s uniquely bad about this is that it doesn’t have even the facade of holistic analysis. The College Board is counting up how oppressed they think you are, and telling colleges to count your score less if you don’t have enough oppression points.

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by prvc on Friday May 17, 2019 @01:22AM (#19936560)
My comment was tailored specifically to be a response to the comment above it. Haven't read all of the other comments in this thread, or looked into the implementation details yet, but yes, a fundamental criticism of this action is that the SAT purports to measure "aptitude" rather than "oppression", and it's hard to immediately see how such a feature would improve the test score's accuracy with regard to the former characteristic. Another criticism is that this could increase the attack surface for "gaming the system" rather than reduce it.
Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by dba7dba on Thursday May 16, 2019 @07:25PM (#19934496)
Exactly. And who gets to decide how oppressed you are?

Maybe you grew up in a poor neighborhood but have incredibly supportive parents/family?

Maybe you grew up in a billionaire family but with parents who are never around because they have business to run and places to go (as they can afford to)?

And the 'secret' part of the story really really bugs me. Why don't we turn US tax code into a state secret so that rich people/business cannot try to game the system to pay less tax?

EDIT: I got downvotes. But really, I'd like to know who gets to decide how oppressed you are?

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by pesmhey on Thursday May 16, 2019 @08:17PM (#19934850)
Language is probably a decent one. If there was a major language shift in your family tree within the last 500 years, you can probably count yourself as disadvantaged in a lot of ways. This includes Africans, indigenous people, but also people from countries where a central version of their language spread from the capital out, although not as bad of a case.

If your Asian parents immigrated and sacrificed hard for you, but still speak the language that their grandparents and their grandparents before them spoke, well, your parents sacrificed, but like, people go through shit. White people, black people, Asians, all types of people get exploited into nothingness. Into being not even human.

Not going on vacation is not a hardship.

Re:SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships by dsfyu404ed on Thursday May 16, 2019 @08:33PM (#19934942)
>Language is probably a decent one. If there was a major language shift in your family tree within the last 500 years, you can probably count yourself as disadvantaged in a lot of ways.

500yr is waaaaay too long. 100yr ago nobody in my family tree spoke English and they were all subsistence farming on a different continent. Every relative I know is decently prosperous. Some people make more of their lives than others but nobody is disadvantaged.

I have a friend who's grandparents had everything taken by the Japanese, then again by the communists, moved somewhere they couldn't even speak the language (they got called crazy but they got the last laugh when everyone else starved) and my friend owns a house in a gentrifying city and makes six figures sitting on his butt staring at a screen. Not bad for two generations.

I knew a woman who lost a good chunk of her immediate family to violence in a south American country her mom moved with her to the US (I'm pretty sure she came to the US as a refugee) they eventually wound up in one of the "worse" cities in NJ and her mom signed her up for some educational program that somehow led to her being sent to a prep school in New England and from there she wend to college and graduated from Colombia.

Compare all of those to my girlfriend's family tree which is chock full of deadbeats. I don't know a single one who is actively engaged in working hard to move up in the world. They've been on this continent longer than the existence of the nation they reside in. Maybe they made something of themselves once upon a time but this branch of the family tree has done nothing productive.

I think whether or not you grow up in a household with parents who are driven to raise their kids well is the primary determining factor. If colleges want to know how "disadvantaged" a kid is they should be looking at the parents. Immigrants for the most part tend to be very industrious and pass that on to their children and grandchildren but it seems to diminish over the generations and the variance among individuals takes over as the determining factor. Some individuals are highly driven. Some are deadbeats.