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Re:Does Employment-Based Insurance Make US Medical Care Unfa... by arcticbull on Monday May 13, 2019 @04:52PM (#19903840)
> Also, criticizing socialism is not magical thinking. It's been a proven failure over and over. Yes, some tiny homogeneous countries have come together and made socialist medicine work, but I'd wager good money that that has more to do with their citizens having a general feeling of all being on the same team, avoiding freeloader problems by discouraging immigration, having larger more prosperous countries in the world to provide innovation and competition, and other factors that America is never going to be able to achieve.

If by that you mean the entire OECD then yes, some tiny homogenous countries have tried it. And it works great. Also, diversity has nothing to do with medicine.

> I have spoken with doctors and they hate medicare. It doesn't pay on time, it pays below market rates, it dictates what they can do with their patients, etc. These doctors still see medicare patients out of compassion, but they are losing money on each one.

Lowering reimbursement rates reduces costs, that's how it's supposed to work. Did you think costs just go down while people get paid the same or more? Where did you think the money was to come from? Sorry, America's costs are 2X Canada's, those doctors do need to be paid less.

> Why are more and more doctors turning down Medicare? The answer is simple: Medicare typically pays doctors only 80% of what private health insurance pays.

Great, now all programs will pay the same, much less than today. You do know doctors in Canada make $200-500K/yr right, they're not exactly starving. They don't need to make more, they're public servants.

In the US the mean salary for a doctor is just shy of $300K (range $200-663K). In Canada the mean salary $225K, ranging from $232 to $676. I think they'll manage with the pay-cut.

> So, if we all go only-medicare, how many doctors decide to retire early?

Those who scrape by on $250-500K/yr and save, then retire, like the rest of the 1%.

Re:Does Employment-Based Insurance Make US Medical Care Unfa... by krupan on Monday May 13, 2019 @05:23PM (#19904115)
"Did you think costs just go down while people get paid the same or more?"

Isn't the whole argument that our system is inefficient and therefore expensive? Get rid of the inefficiency and doctors should still get paid the same, no? Again (I think we are going back and forth in different threads here), free markets are great at doing that. We should try it with health care.

Re:Does Employment-Based Insurance Make US Medical Care Unfa... by arcticbull on Monday May 13, 2019 @05:57PM (#19904409)
There's a ton of inefficiency in the system: administrative, lack of preventative care, lack of continuity of care, that hospitals are forced to provide critical emergency care to anyone who walks in and can't afford it, cost of drugs, and yes, the amount doctors are paid, and the amount doctors have to pay for malpractice insurance (which is also socialized in Canada dramatically reducing cost).

Doctors become public servants. They should get paid relatively comparably to other first-world countries but the fact is what they're getting paid right now is unsustainable for us as a society if our goal is to cover everyone at a reasonable price -- and it should be. Preserving doctors top-0.5% pay is strictly a non-goal. Building a functioning public health system is a goal.

Re:Does Employment-Based Insurance Make US Medical Care Unfa... by krupan on Monday May 13, 2019 @05:28PM (#19904153)
"They don't need to make more, they're public servants."

That's pure tyranny. Stop it. People are paid what the market dictates, not what some government bureaucrat decides.

Re:Does Employment-Based Insurance Make US Medical Care Unfa... by arcticbull on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:00PM (#19904434)
Yes, pure tyranny. It's not like they can get jobs in other fields. Nobody is entitled to make a certain wage in their field of choice. You're not entitled to a seven-figure salary in janitorial any more than doctors are to mid-six-figure salaries in their jobs.