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Re:The Notion of “Trolling” in Ancient Sanskrit by goto11 on Monday May 13, 2019 @02:09AM (#19896722)
It doesn't matter if the discussion is inconsequential anyway, like in a high school debating exercise.

But if the discussion actually influence real-world decisions then it matters a great deal what people actually believe.

Re:The Notion of “Trolling” in Ancient Sanskrit by asveikau on Monday May 13, 2019 @10:38AM (#19899669)
> But if the discussion actually influence real-world decisions then it matters a great deal what people actually believe

I really don't understand why more people are not getting this.

It can be plenty consequential in the real world, I said from the start of this thread that someone could be arguing a popular opinion that nobody in the room happens to hold.

This happens all the time in silicon valley as an example: a bunch of educated, comparatively wealthy, mostly white men make decisions. Maybe they are not very in touch with the opinions of the vast majority of humans who fall outside that category. What I am advocating for this case is the ability to have empathy for those who are unlike you, step outside your biases and adopt an argument that is not your own. This is a good skill. People are falling over themselves trying to call that lying and universally bad or nearly so.

Re:The Notion of “Trolling” in Ancient Sanskrit by hippich on Monday May 13, 2019 @01:02PM (#19901263)
Sorry, I got lost a little in the second part. I assume you mean "a negative influence". How exactly discussing viewpoint, which is not believed by the person, influences the real-world decision in a negative manner, considering that more information is processed, not less?
Re:The Notion of “Trolling” in Ancient Sanskrit by goto11 on Monday May 13, 2019 @02:33PM (#19902315)
Lets say two presidential candidates are having a debate. Does it matter if they actually believe in what they are arguing? Of course it does. Or two prospective parents discussing how to best raise a child? Of course it matters if they actually believe what they say.
Re:The Notion of “Trolling” in Ancient Sanskrit by hippich on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:17PM (#19905870)
Presidential "debates" to me appears as a PR campaign. I guess there indeed it is important to know exactly what candidates are standing for and proving their view is the right one (i.e. aligned with viewer's worldview)

With parenting - I see no issues. And I do use such an approach, but my spouse, I believe, trusts me.

So... It looks like the problem is - when the debate is used to judge world view of the person to decide if one would like to trust them - such "devil advocate" arguments are harmful. I believe it is just one possible use of the discussion, but I will keep in mind that and try to avoid arguing from some other perspective if I see the person is trying to figure out if they want to trust me or not.