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Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by nullwasamistake on Sunday May 12, 2019 @04:30PM (#19894360)
Targeted ads are extremely effective, in general. You'll never see a scientific study because nobody in ad space wants targets to realize this.

I used to run a campaign so well targeted that we had an 8% buy rate. That is, 8% of the people that saw the ad not only clicked, they actually bought the product.

Google charged us $35 for every click but the product was so expensive we still made a killing.

Targeted advertising needs to be banned for the good of society. It's evil, inisidious. All about trying your best to manipulate the worst traits of human nature for profit.

I can pretty easily find out if you're an addict, ex con, a gambler, in debt, illegal immigrant, bad English, maybe a minority. I'll find something you're probably insecure about and use that to sell you shit.

Also, I don't wanna waste money showing my ads to poor people. Can't do that directly, but there's plenty of proxies. Just add a bunch of "interests" to your audience. Things Like horse racing, wine collecting, yachts, expensive rugs.

I wish I was kidding, but everyone does this on targeted advertising platforms. It's a discrimination minefield, but since you use proxy characteristics for everything and everyone covers their eyes it's totally fine.

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by itsaidpens on Sunday May 12, 2019 @10:23PM (#19895995)
I make $200,000 doing smart proxying for FB campaigns.

My favorite easy way to increase ad efficiency?

Exclude Android users. Really.

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by nullwasamistake on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @12:26AM (#19906778)
Our best marks came from AM radio. Highly skewed towards old rich business owners adrift in the game of modern advertising
Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by majos on Sunday May 12, 2019 @05:33PM (#19894716)
> I'll find something you're probably insecure about and use that to sell you shit.

What's an example of this? I'm generally confused by your claim, because I've used a whole lot of internet and literally never bought anything through an ad.

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by nisa on Sunday May 12, 2019 @08:11PM (#19895469)
I want to believe me neither but lately I've researched some personal medical issues and the amount of well written absolutely not-scientific (while citing lot's of studies) blog posts / sites that sell you something and make you believe you have an non-existing disease that's easy to self diagnose (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_fatigue) is pretty high for any medical topic.

If you are desperate and someone is able to convince you that he can solve your problems for only 20-50$ no questions asked, next day in delivered to your home wouldn't you click if you had the money?

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by return1 on Sunday May 12, 2019 @08:21PM (#19895520)
how is that related to targeted ads?
Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by netsharc on Sunday May 12, 2019 @05:38PM (#19894737)
It's probably not his field, but Scientology is an example. Their "personality test" is their way to find out your vulnerabilities and exploit you to shell out money to find "inner peace" through their "religion".
Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by nullwasamistake on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @12:32AM (#19906798)
You're off base then. Maybe too smart, definitely not our target market.

Do a Google search for X accident lawyer, where X is literally anything, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

The most expensive targeted ads prey on the desperate. Personal injury, bankruptcy, addiction, jail, death and next of kin, cancer, you name it. Think if the worst possible things that could happen to somebody. Those are the most lucrative ad keywords

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by darkpuma on Sunday May 12, 2019 @11:41PM (#19896286)
> You feel ugly and lonely. Look at this group of young attractive people. They've got a vibrant group of friends and do lots of cool things like drinking ice cold Coca-Cola™. You should drink some Coca-Cola™ too so you can be like them.

As dumb as it sounds when put like this, it actually works. When you start looking for it, marketing that exploits body image insecurities is particularly common.

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by SmellyGeekBoy on Monday May 13, 2019 @10:49AM (#19899784)
"It doesn't work on me therefore it doesn't work at all" seems like somewhat flawed reasoning.
Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by xvector on Sunday May 12, 2019 @05:29PM (#19894702)
Out of curiosity, what product space do you operate in?
Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by nullwasamistake on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @12:23AM (#19906772)
Business consulting. The only thing more costly than the problem is the cure
Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by return1 on Sunday May 12, 2019 @04:36PM (#19894407)
Advertising a painkiller in a hospital is also targeted advertising. The question is whether digital is somehow dangerously more effective than other forms (which are ostensibly considered "safe"). I m not surprised by your data point, you are obviously selling something to very specific to people who really need it, but this says nothing about the ability to change people's opinion on something.

And as counterpoint, if it was really so effective as you claim, why haven't we seen huge increases in ad spending lately?

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by coldtea on Sunday May 12, 2019 @05:30PM (#19894704)
>Advertising a painkiller in a hospital is also targeted advertising

And should also be banned. A painkiller being promoted and bought more by customers just because it has more money to spend in advertising is morally worse than the mere creepiness of regular (buy BS stuff you don't need) targeted advertisement.

Who needs ads?

Level the playing field with an online catalog where patients can discover (in, say, random order for each viewing, to avoid even sorting bias) all available painkillers.

You can then add voting to the catalog, so patients and doctors can weight in for how good they think the painkiller is -- but with huge fines and prison for any company trying to manipulate buy those votes.

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by nullwasamistake on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @12:36AM (#19906813)
Ad spending for anything worthwhile is insane. if you haven't seen it you're just not in the industry. I've seen keywords that go for over 60$ for a single click. And nearly all are exploitative

Google is one of the biggest companies in the world solely from advertising revenue. Same with Facebook and other social media. The more information they have about you, the more terrible the ad targeting

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by jfk13 on Sunday May 12, 2019 @06:04PM (#19894870)
> you are obviously selling something to very specific to people who really need it

Is that really the "obvious" inference?

Perhaps they're just good at selling something outrageously overpriced to a category of particularly gullible marks. It wouldn't be the first time in advertising history, I'm sure.

Re:Facebook sues analytics firm Rankwave over data misuse by afandian on Monday May 13, 2019 @03:19AM (#19896952)
Genuine question -- are there places where painkillers are advertised in hospital?